Is Man Utd's Lukaku chant racist?
Discussion
Carl_Manchester said:
lukefreeman said:
Surely this can be solved by:
"Mr Lukaku, is this chant offending you?"
+1"Mr Lukaku, is this chant offending you?"
I am doing my level best to stay out of this thread but I laughed out loud at the bell curve comment.
Curious to know what John Barnes et al. have to say on the topic, I think he is one of the best people to give an opinion on this.
No point asking Mr Lukaku, it’s more important for others to dig deep and find offence on his behalf as they no doubt know best. Better to cry racism and whip up a storm, get some attention for themselves.
Funny though, I bet they would be nowhere near as vocal if a black man chanted about a white footballers inadequacies, same myth but more palletable to the liberal manure...........
my second to last post on this (he promises himself).
I think you are extrapolating 'horse' into something that is not intended by the chant. In so much that the read across from 'horse' in this context is purely sexual and not related to his colour or heritage.
e.g. British institution Paul Barber who played Barrington "Horse" Mitchell in the full monty. As Barrington was nicknamed 'Horse' does this make the full monty racist ? I don't think so.
Like I say, be interesting to hear some black players opinions on the topic over the weekend.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
No point asking Mr Lukaku
The man has http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41356197
BBC said:
"Great backing since I joined #MUFC," Lukaku was quoted as saying on United's official Twitter account.
"Fans have meant well with their songs but let's move on together."
The tweet ends: "#RespectEachOther".
"Fans have meant well with their songs but let's move on together."
The tweet ends: "#RespectEachOther".
NorfolkInClue1 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:NorfolkInClue1 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Point is you have to change with the times and it isn't the 70's any more.
No you don’t .Choose not to but don't be surprised if you're looked upon as a dinosaur.
Again, you don’t have to adapt either, who says you do? Is it all the people who are trying hard to find a problem in everything, to find a confrontation and of course to find offence, oh yes, better change to keep them happy as they are sooooo important.
Seems that people these days are making it their mission to meddle in other people’s lives and instead should maybe look at themselves.
Absolutely you can be like Alf Garnet in the corner making "funny jokes" about these things and saying it was all better in the 70's and personally I'm not going to get especially bent out of shape by it, but I do wonder if those who think this kind of thing is "funny" would have the courage of their convictions and say it in front of their HR department, the Police, or with this particular example a black person?
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Funny though, I bet they would be nowhere near as vocal if a black man chanted about a white footballers inadequacies, same myth but more palletable to the liberal manure...........
Can you educate me on the history of this myth. What's the historical background of white men being oppressed by black men, and the history of the demonisation of white men by their black rulers. How did the black landowners with white slaves use the myth of the white man having a small penis to keep black women away from them?I must have missed this episode in history so keen to have it explained to me. Every day's a school day and all that.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Broadly speaking "societal norms" mean you have to adapt.
'Societal norms' are simply established methods of behaviour accepted by certain sections of society. An individual does not have to adapt at all. Also an individual is not a 'dinosaur' for not adapting - e.g. Some might say the social norm for young ladies in Newcastle on a night out is binge drinking, throwing up, fighting etc... Is a lady who doesn't take part a dinosaur? I wonder how many of the people on this thread railing against 'lefty liberal snowflakes' and the like are black?
My guess is none of them.
So how the fook can you relate to whether or not Lukaku would find it offensive?
It's the sort of thing that Bernard Manning would probably have said. It would be nice if we'd moved on from things like this by now.
My guess is none of them.
So how the fook can you relate to whether or not Lukaku would find it offensive?
It's the sort of thing that Bernard Manning would probably have said. It would be nice if we'd moved on from things like this by now.
Part of me thinks that no offence is intended, and the people complaining are the perpetually offended jumping on the latest bandwagon.
Having said that though, there is no place in football for sweeping generalisations based on prejudice and stereotyping, and this is the sort of behaviour you would expect from Man United fans.
Having said that though, there is no place in football for sweeping generalisations based on prejudice and stereotyping, and this is the sort of behaviour you would expect from Man United fans.
CaptainSlow said:
I'm glad to see 6cm is pretty normal, seems my ex was lying.
Ganglandboss said:
Having said that though, there is no place in football for sweeping generalisations based on prejudice and stereotyping, and this is the sort of behaviour you would expect from Man United fans.
popeyewhite said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Broadly speaking "societal norms" mean you have to adapt.
'Societal norms' are simply established methods of behaviour accepted by certain sections of society. An individual does not have to adapt at all. Also an individual is not a 'dinosaur' for not adapting - e.g. Some might say the social norm for young ladies in Newcastle on a night out is binge drinking, throwing up, fighting etc... Is a lady who doesn't take part a dinosaur? 
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I'd like to think that anyone can see the difference in context between what a town does on a night out v realising it's not the 1970's any more.
The context is they are both considered social norms. You have stated people have to adapt to societal norms, I have shown they don't. Conformity is not always for the best. If you still struggle with this Google it or ask any GCSE sociology student.XM5ER said:
For the hard of thinking, the BMJ is the British Medical Journal not Black Mans Johnsons.
There is of course the faintest chance that the fans in question know somebody on the inside at the club who has noted that Lukaku has a gigantic appendage.
ks...I mean it is utter cock...
http://www.tdsmproject.com/debunking-penissizedist...
Followed all this on talksport the other day.
Presenters were up in arms about how this was racist and vile and shoul'nt be going on.
Inviting callers to phone in and disagree. Then shouting them down.
5 minutes later they're talking about tyson fury (of homophobic, etc fame) wishing him the best for his return to the ring, etc.
Presenters were up in arms about how this was racist and vile and shoul'nt be going on.
Inviting callers to phone in and disagree. Then shouting them down.
5 minutes later they're talking about tyson fury (of homophobic, etc fame) wishing him the best for his return to the ring, etc.
popeyewhite said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I'd like to think that anyone can see the difference in context between what a town does on a night out v realising it's not the 1970's any more.
The context is they are both considered social norms. You have stated people have to adapt to societal norms, I have shown they don't. Conformity is not always for the best. If you still struggle with this Google it or ask any GCSE sociology student.But in the 70s, so called "harmless" jokes and black people and other ethnic minorities, shows like Love Thy Neighbour and Mind Your Language were the social norm. Most people have moved on from that. If you haven't, you are a dinosaur.
boyse7en said:
XM5ER said:
For the hard of thinking, the BMJ is the British Medical Journal not Black Mans Johnsons.
There is of course the faintest chance that the fans in question know somebody on the inside at the club who has noted that Lukaku has a gigantic appendage.
ks...I mean it is utter cock...
http://www.tdsmproject.com/debunking-penissizedist...
popeyewhite said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Broadly speaking "societal norms" mean you have to adapt.
'Societal norms' are simply established methods of behaviour accepted by certain sections of society. An individual does not have to adapt at all. Also an individual is not a 'dinosaur' for not adapting - e.g. Some might say the social norm for young ladies in Newcastle on a night out is binge drinking, throwing up, fighting etc... Is a lady who doesn't take part a dinosaur? Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff