How much space needed for cyclist coming opposite way.
Discussion
Scenario I have is approaching a T junction, intending to turn left. On the immediate lead up to the junction there are marked parking spaces on the left, and usually cars in those spaces, it's near the Co-Op. On the road are those little cycle logos, ie not a 'proper' cycle lane but advice route used by cycles etc.
So cars approaching the junction have to straddle the white line to pass the parked vehicles.
Every day there's one of those who thinks he's on the Tour de Co-Ops who approaches the T from the right, turns into the road, at a pace and line that puts him into direct conflict with anyone who already happens to be passing the parked vehicles. He's not done it to me yet, as if I'm out there, immediately stop as seen his behaviour to others, but if you don't stop, he shouts and takes a swipe at your door mirror. Utter cock frankly.
Clearly the correct thing would be the removal of the parking spaces, or at least move them further back from the junction.
Incidentally, only censure I have had from this guy is on another local road, 20mph limit, speed pillows. In the middle of my side to straddle the pillow, matey decides to swerve, ride in the gap between pillows in the middle of road, shouts, nearly falls off in his fury. Will admit a titter ran round the audience.
But serious question to you lycristas, we've heard the 1.5m gap advice, I was trained to picture them laid out sideways and ensure you wouldn't run over their head when overtaking. Same clearances when opposing direction of travel, or?
This guy clearly isn't doing cyclists any favours but included just for the what a dick factor.
So cars approaching the junction have to straddle the white line to pass the parked vehicles.
Every day there's one of those who thinks he's on the Tour de Co-Ops who approaches the T from the right, turns into the road, at a pace and line that puts him into direct conflict with anyone who already happens to be passing the parked vehicles. He's not done it to me yet, as if I'm out there, immediately stop as seen his behaviour to others, but if you don't stop, he shouts and takes a swipe at your door mirror. Utter cock frankly.
Clearly the correct thing would be the removal of the parking spaces, or at least move them further back from the junction.
Incidentally, only censure I have had from this guy is on another local road, 20mph limit, speed pillows. In the middle of my side to straddle the pillow, matey decides to swerve, ride in the gap between pillows in the middle of road, shouts, nearly falls off in his fury. Will admit a titter ran round the audience.
But serious question to you lycristas, we've heard the 1.5m gap advice, I was trained to picture them laid out sideways and ensure you wouldn't run over their head when overtaking. Same clearances when opposing direction of travel, or?
This guy clearly isn't doing cyclists any favours but included just for the what a dick factor.
I'd be interested to know the rule on this as I encounter the same cyclist a lot on my morning commute on a lane about 1.5 cars wide. As he invariably cycles straight past any passing place between us as we head towards each other, I assume he's comfortable to be be passed quite closely, but the look he usually gives me makes me think otherwise!
Johnnytheboy said:
I'd be interested to know the rule on this as I encounter the same cyclist a lot on my morning commute on a lane about 1.5 cars wide. As he invariably cycles straight past any passing place between us as we head towards each other, I assume he's comfortable to be be passed quite closely, but the look he usually gives me makes me think otherwise!
He is probably thinking that he can use the road without having to straddle the centre line so you should be the one giving way. Similar to you passing parked cars on your side when there are none on the other side, you should be the one giving way.
Ideally same gap if coming opposite way. But if you are already passing cars on road he turns into then he should stop or proceed with caution.
Personally I'd just want cars to slow down a bit if the roles were reversed and I there first.
One thing they don't yet teach is the larger the speed diferential the bigger the gap should be. I've no problem with slow traffic passing a bit close if its narrow. But same gap on a NSL would be terryfying.
Personally I'd just want cars to slow down a bit if the roles were reversed and I there first.
One thing they don't yet teach is the larger the speed diferential the bigger the gap should be. I've no problem with slow traffic passing a bit close if its narrow. But same gap on a NSL would be terryfying.
He seems like a dick. With that sort of attitude, I hope he doesn't have a car.
If he doesn't want cars to come the opposite way through narrow gaps, he needs to position his bike so that it is obviously one at a time, and be prepared to stop and give way in the same way that he would if he was driving a car. Same way that you would if you were driving through a gap that you might theoretically get two cars through but would probably lose you a wing mirror.
If he doesn't want cars to come the opposite way through narrow gaps, he needs to position his bike so that it is obviously one at a time, and be prepared to stop and give way in the same way that he would if he was driving a car. Same way that you would if you were driving through a gap that you might theoretically get two cars through but would probably lose you a wing mirror.
Integroo said:
Evanivitch said:
So his side of the road is clear, and he can proceed without crossing the central line?
And your side is partially blocked, and you have to straddle the central line?
You yield to him.
This.And your side is partially blocked, and you have to straddle the central line?
You yield to him.
In this instance he either waits for you to clear the parked cars or proceeds with caution through the narrowed lane. Either of which gives him no justification of being aggrieved.
Evanivitch said:
So his side of the road is clear, and he can proceed without crossing the central line?
And your side is partially blocked, and you have to straddle the central line?
You yield to him.
Ok, correct in first principles, but you have missed the detail in the situation. And your side is partially blocked, and you have to straddle the central line?
You yield to him.
Let's look at another scenario.
You enter a road and up ahead there is a long line of parked vehicles on the opposite side of the road. At the time you entered the road there is another vehicle travelling towards you, already on 'your' side of the road passing the parked vehicles. There are no spaces between the parked vehicles for the oncoming vehicle to return to his own side and wait in a 'passing place.' There is insufficient road width for two vehicles to pass each other alongside the parked vehicles.
Do you a) stop and wait for the oncoming vehicle to pass all the parked vehicles.
b) proceed and force the oncoming vehicle to reverse
c) something else.
If c) explain what you would do and why.
Thanks in advance.
Toltec said:
Johnnytheboy said:
I'd be interested to know the rule on this as I encounter the same cyclist a lot on my morning commute on a lane about 1.5 cars wide. As he invariably cycles straight past any passing place between us as we head towards each other, I assume he's comfortable to be be passed quite closely, but the look he usually gives me makes me think otherwise!
He is probably thinking that he can use the road without having to straddle the centre line so you should be the one giving way. Similar to you passing parked cars on your side when there are none on the other side, you should be the one giving way.
So if he shoots past a passing place, he's kind of lost the ability for me to give him more than half-a-car's width in total.
FiF said:
Evanivitch said:
So his side of the road is clear, and he can proceed without crossing the central line?
And your side is partially blocked, and you have to straddle the central line?
You yield to him.
Ok, correct in first principles, but you have missed the detail in the situation. And your side is partially blocked, and you have to straddle the central line?
You yield to him.
Let's look at another scenario.
You enter a road and up ahead there is a long line of parked vehicles on the opposite side of the road. At the time you entered the road there is another vehicle travelling towards you, already on 'your' side of the road passing the parked vehicles. There are no spaces between the parked vehicles for the oncoming vehicle to return to his own side and wait in a 'passing place.' There is insufficient road width for two vehicles to pass each other alongside the parked vehicles.
Do you a) stop and wait for the oncoming vehicle to pass all the parked vehicles.
b) proceed and force the oncoming vehicle to reverse
c) something else.
If c) explain what you would do and why.
Thanks in advance.
That's because he's a bike and noticeably smaller than a car.
If there was no room for him to pass, even when you've stopped and I assume tucked in as much as you can, then I would have expected him to stop and allow you to complete.
If he was a car, and then there was insufficient space to pass then I would expect him to wait whilst you completed your password of the static cars, because that is less risky than requiring you to reverse.
FiF said:
Scenario I have is approaching a T junction, intending to turn left. On the immediate lead up to the junction there are marked parking spaces on the left, and usually cars in those spaces, it's near the Co-Op. On the road are those little cycle logos, ie not a 'proper' cycle lane but advice route used by cycles etc.
So cars approaching the junction have to straddle the white line to pass the parked vehicles.
Every day there's one of those who thinks he's on the Tour de Co-Ops who approaches the T from the right, turns into the road, at a pace and line that puts him into direct conflict with anyone who already happens to be passing the parked vehicles. He's not done it to me yet, as if I'm out there, immediately stop as seen his behaviour to others, but if you don't stop, he shouts and takes a swipe at your door mirror. Utter cock frankly.
Clearly the correct thing would be the removal of the parking spaces, or at least move them further back from the junction.
Incidentally, only censure I have had from this guy is on another local road, 20mph limit, speed pillows. In the middle of my side to straddle the pillow, matey decides to swerve, ride in the gap between pillows in the middle of road, shouts, nearly falls off in his fury. Will admit a titter ran round the audience.
But serious question to you lycristas, we've heard the 1.5m gap advice, I was trained to picture them laid out sideways and ensure you wouldn't run over their head when overtaking. Same clearances when opposing direction of travel, or?
This guy clearly isn't doing cyclists any favours but included just for the what a dick factor.
What do you do in the same scenario with a car/lorry/bus/any vehicle using the road? So cars approaching the junction have to straddle the white line to pass the parked vehicles.
Every day there's one of those who thinks he's on the Tour de Co-Ops who approaches the T from the right, turns into the road, at a pace and line that puts him into direct conflict with anyone who already happens to be passing the parked vehicles. He's not done it to me yet, as if I'm out there, immediately stop as seen his behaviour to others, but if you don't stop, he shouts and takes a swipe at your door mirror. Utter cock frankly.
Clearly the correct thing would be the removal of the parking spaces, or at least move them further back from the junction.
Incidentally, only censure I have had from this guy is on another local road, 20mph limit, speed pillows. In the middle of my side to straddle the pillow, matey decides to swerve, ride in the gap between pillows in the middle of road, shouts, nearly falls off in his fury. Will admit a titter ran round the audience.
But serious question to you lycristas, we've heard the 1.5m gap advice, I was trained to picture them laid out sideways and ensure you wouldn't run over their head when overtaking. Same clearances when opposing direction of travel, or?
This guy clearly isn't doing cyclists any favours but included just for the what a dick factor.
Toltec said:
Johnnytheboy said:
I'd be interested to know the rule on this as I encounter the same cyclist a lot on my morning commute on a lane about 1.5 cars wide. As he invariably cycles straight past any passing place between us as we head towards each other, I assume he's comfortable to be be passed quite closely, but the look he usually gives me makes me think otherwise!
He is probably thinking that he can use the road without having to straddle the centre line so you should be the one giving way. Similar to you passing parked cars on your side when there are none on the other side, you should be the one giving way.
In the case above then it should be either:-
- whoever is closest to a passing place should stop and move in; or
- in the case of a noticeable incline, follow highway code rules regarding giving way on a slope.
Evanivitch said:
If you're straddling the central line, and his side is clear, then you stop and allow him to proceed in what remains of his lane if possible.
That's because he's a bike and noticeably smaller than a car.
If there was no room for him to pass, even when you've stopped and I assume tucked in as much as you can, then I would have expected him to stop and allow you to complete.
If he was a car, and then there was insufficient space to pass then I would expect him to wait whilst you completed your password of the static cars, because that is less risky than requiring you to reverse.
To clarify, there is imo sufficient room to continue to pass the parked vehicles and the cyclist to pass safely in the other direction, providing both are reasonable people.That's because he's a bike and noticeably smaller than a car.
If there was no room for him to pass, even when you've stopped and I assume tucked in as much as you can, then I would have expected him to stop and allow you to complete.
If he was a car, and then there was insufficient space to pass then I would expect him to wait whilst you completed your password of the static cars, because that is less risky than requiring you to reverse.
Clearly my position in this case is that the other is not reasonable, so stop, but it brought the question of what is a reasonable clearance.
FiF said:
Evanivitch said:
If you're straddling the central line, and his side is clear, then you stop and allow him to proceed in what remains of his lane if possible.
That's because he's a bike and noticeably smaller than a car.
If there was no room for him to pass, even when you've stopped and I assume tucked in as much as you can, then I would have expected him to stop and allow you to complete.
If he was a car, and then there was insufficient space to pass then I would expect him to wait whilst you completed your password of the static cars, because that is less risky than requiring you to reverse.
To clarify, there is imo sufficient room to continue to pass the parked vehicles and the cyclist to pass safely in the other direction, providing both are reasonable people.That's because he's a bike and noticeably smaller than a car.
If there was no room for him to pass, even when you've stopped and I assume tucked in as much as you can, then I would have expected him to stop and allow you to complete.
If he was a car, and then there was insufficient space to pass then I would expect him to wait whilst you completed your password of the static cars, because that is less risky than requiring you to reverse.
Clearly my position in this case is that the other is not reasonable, so stop, but it brought the question of what is a reasonable clearance.
You giving him 1.5m whilst you're already straddling the central line doesn't necessarily give him a lot of space to keep away from whatever horrors sit in the gutter.
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