How extreme are the AfD?
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BOR said:
When even their own founder, right wing nut job Petry, thinks the party is too extreme, then it's too extreme.
It is nothing more than another scapegoater party for those mentally weak left-behinds who need someone else to blame.
The irony meter melts down when you put into account that the real founder of this party, Bernd Lucke,It is nothing more than another scapegoater party for those mentally weak left-behinds who need someone else to blame.
was overcome and mobbed out of job as chairman by Petri, warning that she was leading waaay to much to the right side.
History repeating.
The party has some people that can vocal some coherent sentences but they are not the majority,
and on the fringes they are intervowen with Pegida, hools and "comradeships" which act militant
in order to create "ethnically cleaned zones" in Germany.
jsc15 said:
Wiccan of Darkness, are you perchance related to Sargon of Akkad?
Forgive my ignorance but I don't have a scooby who or what that is. Sounds like a character from Tolkein, although I'm possibly thinking of Sauron. Do I have to google it? Alternatively you could just enlighten me.Cheers.
Wiccy.
Wiccan of Darkness said:
jsc15 said:
Wiccan of Darkness, are you perchance related to Sargon of Akkad?
Forgive my ignorance but I don't have a scooby who or what that is. Sounds like a character from Tolkein, although I'm possibly thinking of Sauron. Do I have to google it? Alternatively you could just enlighten me.Cheers.
Wiccy.
Shay HTFC said:
They are anti-migrant so are defacto extreme right-wing / want to bring back the gulags etc etc.
Just more media crap!
majority of them aren't against legal migrants( read people that Germany really need)Just more media crap!
you don't have to be right wing to be against what's happening in Europe lately
del mar said:
Were any of the other parties anti immigrant ?
Not as open and drastic as AfD , Merkel´s CDU has a bavarian sister party CSU, they want lots of restrictions to new immigrantsand a defined maximal number of refugees per year, this is their holy grail but Merkel opposes it.
CSU in Bavaria lost 10%, their worst result since 1949, being in power there ever since,
and as CSU have local bavarian elections next year, coalition negotiations and programme for the next 4 years will be interesting.
Voters made hysterical by "Law & Order" CSU choose the original AfD and not the non-delivering copycats.
AfD has a strange programm, many aspects are not covered at all since they never aimed at being responsible for government.
Loud-mothed opposition will be easy, prepare for some drastic quotes from the speaker´s desk,
bordering of Holocaust denial, reclaiming "lost" eastern parts of Gross Deutschland, and gereral revisionism,
coupled with "Germany First" anti-EU statements and fraternisation with Wilbers & LePen.
AreOut said:
majority of them aren't against legal migrants( read people that Germany really need)
Umm, are you suggesting that "Merkel's million" aren't legal migrants?AreOut said:
you don't have to be right wing to be against what's happening in Europe lately
Against the claims or the reality?TooMany2cvs said:
Umm, are you suggesting that "Merkel's million" aren't legal migrants?
well most of them didn't have any documents and entered forcefully, you can't go less legal than thatTooMany2cvs said:
Against the claims or the reality?
numbers are irrelevant, there are (and especially were) left wing countries where you would get shot if you tried to cross border unallowed, so it really has nothing to do with left vs right wingAreOut said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Umm, are you suggesting that "Merkel's million" aren't legal migrants?
well most of them didn't have any documents and entered forcefully, you can't go less legal than thatTooMany2cvs said:
How strange, to have somebody that can talk a good game as a frontman...
1.) A regional leader said the Berlin holocaust memorial was a "memorial of shame", clearly implying it shouldn't be there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38661621
2.) Frauke Petry - the MP who left the party before the ink was even dry on the results - suggested that the German police should shoot on sight at those crossing from Austria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35452306
Plenty on here would say "That's not extreme, that's just sensible", I'm sure...
BTW, "Times of Israel"? Is this your idea of a centrist, credible, unbiased source?
As usual the lefty BBC twisted the facts and only quoted what suits their marxist/labour views, as follows: 1.) A regional leader said the Berlin holocaust memorial was a "memorial of shame", clearly implying it shouldn't be there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38661621
2.) Frauke Petry - the MP who left the party before the ink was even dry on the results - suggested that the German police should shoot on sight at those crossing from Austria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35452306
Plenty on here would say "That's not extreme, that's just sensible", I'm sure...
BTW, "Times of Israel"? Is this your idea of a centrist, credible, unbiased source?
1) The Berlin member did NOT say as above, he said "it's a memorial to the shame that Germany has committed". In translation the BBC obviously did'nt have a german speaker.
2) Petry did NOT say "shoot on sight", she said that border guards and police "have the right to use their weapons if endangered/attacked while doing their duty at the border"
As for the posters shown, they state facts which the AfD used in their vote catching. Not at all tasteful but true.
I do not support the AfD, BUT they are the only ones who are actually pointing out what is happening in Germany due the the different upbringing and beliefs of the hordes arriving from the middle east and Africa.
ALL the other parties are covering up or intentionally avoiding anything which might possibly infer that they're in any way racist, due to German history.
The German press have actually been instructed, as in Sweden, to avoid anything which might be in any way "inflammatory". Meanwhile sexual assaults in Germany have had a 50% rise in the last 12 months (official police figures), almost excusively caused by the so-called "refugees" from the middle east and other places.
Good friends of ours have a daughter who worked in one of the refugee centres. She was subjected to almost daily sexual harassment from the "refugees", but was told she would be taken to court if she reported it, as her employment contract stated she had to keep silent about all that was happening there!!! Needless to say, after 6 months of selfless duty, she left.....
To sum up, it's now the habit of all lefties in Germany and GB to shout down, label as racist, threaten and intimidate, anyone who doesn't agree with their obnoxious policies.
Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 27th September 08:34
Einion Yrth said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
jsc15 said:
Wiccan of Darkness, are you perchance related to Sargon of Akkad?
Forgive my ignorance but I don't have a scooby who or what that is. Sounds like a character from Tolkein, although I'm possibly thinking of Sauron. Do I have to google it? Alternatively you could just enlighten me.Cheers.
Wiccy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad
JMGS4 said:
<usual braindead 'omg lefties bad' ranting'
Good friends of ours have a daughter who worked in one of the refugee centres. She was subjected to almost daily sexual harassment from the "refugees", but was told she would be taken to court if she reported it, as her employment contract stated she had to keep silent about all that was happening there!!! Needless to say, after 6 months of selfless duty, she left.....
<more braindead 'lefties' ranting>
She had to keep silent about sexual harassment because of employment contract? In Germany? Good friends of ours have a daughter who worked in one of the refugee centres. She was subjected to almost daily sexual harassment from the "refugees", but was told she would be taken to court if she reported it, as her employment contract stated she had to keep silent about all that was happening there!!! Needless to say, after 6 months of selfless duty, she left.....
<more braindead 'lefties' ranting>
JMGS4 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
How strange, to have somebody that can talk a good game as a frontman...
1.) A regional leader said the Berlin holocaust memorial was a "memorial of shame", clearly implying it shouldn't be there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38661621
2.) Frauke Petry - the MP who left the party before the ink was even dry on the results - suggested that the German police should shoot on sight at those crossing from Austria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35452306
Plenty on here would say "That's not extreme, that's just sensible", I'm sure...
BTW, "Times of Israel"? Is this your idea of a centrist, credible, unbiased source?
As usual the lefty BBC twisted the facts and only quoted what suits their marxist/labour views, as follows: 1.) A regional leader said the Berlin holocaust memorial was a "memorial of shame", clearly implying it shouldn't be there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38661621
2.) Frauke Petry - the MP who left the party before the ink was even dry on the results - suggested that the German police should shoot on sight at those crossing from Austria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35452306
Plenty on here would say "That's not extreme, that's just sensible", I'm sure...
BTW, "Times of Israel"? Is this your idea of a centrist, credible, unbiased source?
1) The Berlin member did NOT say as above, he said "it's a memorial to the shame that Germany has committed". In translation the BBC obviously did'nt have a german speaker.
2) Petry did NOT say "shoot on sight", she said that border guards and police "have the right to use their weapons if endangered/attacked while doing their duty at the border"
As for the posters shown, they state facts which the AfD used in their vote catching. Not at all tasteful but true.
I do not support the AfD, BUT they are the only ones who are actually pointing out what is happening in Germany due the the different upbringing and beliefs of the hordes arriving from the middle east and Africa.
ALL the other parties are covering up or intentionally avoiding anything which might possibly infer that they're in any way racist, due to German history.
The German press have actually been instructed, as in Sweden, to avoid anything which might be in any way "inflammatory". Meanwhile sexual assaults in Germany have had a 50% rise in the last 12 months (official police figures), almost excusively caused by the so-called "refugees" from the middle east and other places.
Good friends of ours have a daughter who worked in one of the refugee centres. She was subjected to almost daily sexual harassment from the "refugees", but was told she would be taken to court if she reported it, as her employment contract stated she had to keep silent about all that was happening there!!! Needless to say, after 6 months of selfless duty, she left.....
To sum up, it's now the habit of all lefties in Germany and GB to shout down, label as racist, threaten and intimidate, anyone who doesn't agree with their obnoxious policies.
Edited by JMGS4 on Wednesday 27th September 08:34
If the outcry over the holocaust comment was fake, why did the party vote to request his expulsion http://www.reuters.com/article/germany-afd/germany...
And as for your claim that there's been a 50% rise in rape/sexual assaults -
http://www.dw.com/en/german-crime-statistics-revea...
dw said:
The report, which was presented by de Maiziere in Berlin, also highlighted a considerable growth in murder and manslaughter and in rape and sexual assault cases. The statistics were up 14.3 percent and 12.8 percent from 2015, respectively. The numbers were, however, more dramatic among asylum seekers: crimes committed by refugees were up 52.7 percent in 2016 compared to 2015.
So sexual assault & rape is up 12.8% , not 50%. The numbers of crimes committed by refugees was up 52.7% . Some interesting background info here, http://www.dw.com/en/are-refugees-more-criminal-th... , about the increase in crime.
TooMany2cvs said:
I do, thanks.
Oh, and btw... <cough>Schengen</cough>
Shengen though is an agreement for freedom of movement of EU citizens between Shengen signed up members.Oh, and btw... <cough>Schengen</cough>
An economic migrant who entered the EU without any legal documentation is not an EU citizen and therefore is not entitled to freedom of movement.
A person entering an EU state without legal documents is breaking the law unless they are claiming asylum.
But asylum needs to be claimed in the first safe country of entry.
If an asylum seeker enters the first safe country, doesn't claim asylum and then travels over further borders without legal documentation (ie. visa etc), then they are committing an illegal act.
the Dublin agreement conjured up by the EU, as I understand it (but happy to be corrected), however puts a lot of the above in to muddy water.
It sets out which state is responsible for an asylum seeker's processing and also restrict that member nation from deporting illegal entrants back to the first point of entry.
Does the Dublin regulation/agreement supersede the Geneva convention on asylum? I do not know... I guess it must do.
But what ever it is, the above does not take away the fact that migrants are entering the EU illegally.
I'm not sure how long I would last being an UK/EU citizen and simply chose to go and live in Germany, if I were not to have any passport or job or other documents. Because Article 7 of the 'freedom of movement' law states that to live in a different EU member state without being a citizen of that state one would have to be employed within that EU state, or be studying in that EU state and "meet certain administrative formalities" - what ever that means.
So even as an UK/EU citizen freedom of movement and Shengen is not what people think it is.
Atomic12C said:
Shengen though is an agreement for freedom of movement of EU citizens between Shengen signed up members.
It's a lot more than that.Atomic12C said:
But what ever it is, the above does not take away the fact that migrants are entering the EU illegally.
But as soon as they claim asylum, they cease to be illegal, right up until such time as their asylum claim is denied.Atomic12C said:
I'm not sure how long I would last being an UK/EU citizen and simply chose to go and live in Germany, if I were not to have any passport or job or other documents.
I'm not sure your asylum claim would last very long, tbh.Atomic12C said:
So even as an UK/EU citizen freedom of movement and Shengen is not what people think it is.
Indeed.A lot of what the kippers blame freedom of movement for is simply UK government choice, and Schengen of course doesn't apply to the UK at all.
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