What race/ethnic group am I?
Discussion
Here is a government list:
Ethnic Minority Status (Ethnicity)
white - english/welsh/scottish/northern irish/british
white - irish
white - roma, gypsy or irish traveller
white - other
mixed/multiple - white and black caribbean
mixed/multiple - white and black african
mixed/multiple - white and asian
mixed/multiple - other
asian/asian british - indian
asian/asian british - Pakistani
asian/asian british - bangladeshi
asian/asian british - chinese
asian/asian british - other
black/african/caribbean/black british - african
black/african/caribbean/black british - caribbean
black/african/caribbean/black british - other
other ethnic group - arab
other ethnic group - other
participant chose not to say (signed exemption)
participant failed to say (no signed )
Ethnic Minority Status (Ethnicity)
white - english/welsh/scottish/northern irish/british
white - irish
white - roma, gypsy or irish traveller
white - other
mixed/multiple - white and black caribbean
mixed/multiple - white and black african
mixed/multiple - white and asian
mixed/multiple - other
asian/asian british - indian
asian/asian british - Pakistani
asian/asian british - bangladeshi
asian/asian british - chinese
asian/asian british - other
black/african/caribbean/black british - african
black/african/caribbean/black british - caribbean
black/african/caribbean/black british - other
other ethnic group - arab
other ethnic group - other
participant chose not to say (signed exemption)
participant failed to say (no signed )
We all came out of Africa, except, of course, for Africans who stayed behind.
There was an excellent series on BBC 4 with the lovely Dr Alice Roberts, on the way the world was populated. It was fascinating.
I've been reading recently about Neanderthals. It seems that there was considerable interbreeding between them and what we mistakenly, it seems, regard as us. There was one bit which mentioned ginger hair, it being, the proposal runs, inherited from the Neanderthals or some other groups of homo sapiens which we assumed were extinct but seems are not.
All the mixing etc means that you can call yourself what you want and be right. No one argues that Obama and Hamilton are not black, as that is what they call themselves. They could equally well call themselves white.
I call myself 'prefer not to say'. I'm not sure why as it is rather pointless, perhaps then because it is a reflection of life in general.
You are not a race.
Anglo Saxon England never existed as a racial group, nor did Norman England. It was a lifestyle, imposed or a choice. I might just as well call myself 'rationing' as that was what dictated must of my first few years of life.
Identity code is somewhat different and is merely what a person more or less looks like. There was one in my time called Arabic, which is a language. All rather weird. There was a Jewish cabbie who took exception to be called Arabic, but that's what he looked like, but the complaint was taken and the officer apologised. For the Police and Criminal Evidence Act bit about identification, it is called General Appearance.
Don't worry. Call yourself what the hell you want, including nothing at all. All race is myth it seems.
There was an excellent series on BBC 4 with the lovely Dr Alice Roberts, on the way the world was populated. It was fascinating.
I've been reading recently about Neanderthals. It seems that there was considerable interbreeding between them and what we mistakenly, it seems, regard as us. There was one bit which mentioned ginger hair, it being, the proposal runs, inherited from the Neanderthals or some other groups of homo sapiens which we assumed were extinct but seems are not.
All the mixing etc means that you can call yourself what you want and be right. No one argues that Obama and Hamilton are not black, as that is what they call themselves. They could equally well call themselves white.
I call myself 'prefer not to say'. I'm not sure why as it is rather pointless, perhaps then because it is a reflection of life in general.
You are not a race.
Anglo Saxon England never existed as a racial group, nor did Norman England. It was a lifestyle, imposed or a choice. I might just as well call myself 'rationing' as that was what dictated must of my first few years of life.
Identity code is somewhat different and is merely what a person more or less looks like. There was one in my time called Arabic, which is a language. All rather weird. There was a Jewish cabbie who took exception to be called Arabic, but that's what he looked like, but the complaint was taken and the officer apologised. For the Police and Criminal Evidence Act bit about identification, it is called General Appearance.
Don't worry. Call yourself what the hell you want, including nothing at all. All race is myth it seems.
...not according to recent reasearch
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/euro...
PS; and, yes, Alice Roberts is indeed lovely
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/euro...
PS; and, yes, Alice Roberts is indeed lovely
Lotobear said:
We'll see. Much as I trust the Telegraph . . . It was a few years ago that I saw the Roberts series on TV but I remember that DNA showed that we came from a small tribe, possibly a couple of hundred souls, who emerged from NE Africa.
From DNA it seems that all the millions of humans can be traced back to one woman. Well, we all know what that makes her.
There were a number of other groups around at the time, most of them seem to have interbred. There's no definitive answer of course, not is there ever going to be one that everyone agrees on.
Jawknee is innocent said:
Here is a government list:
Ethnic Minority Status (Ethnicity)
white - english/welsh/scottish/northern irish/british
white - irish
white - roma, gypsy or irish traveller
white - other
mixed/multiple - white and black caribbean
mixed/multiple - white and black african
mixed/multiple - white and asian
mixed/multiple - other
asian/asian british - indian
asian/asian british - Pakistani
asian/asian british - bangladeshi
asian/asian british - chinese
asian/asian british - other
black/african/caribbean/black british - african
black/african/caribbean/black british - caribbean
black/african/caribbean/black british - other
other ethnic group - arab
other ethnic group - other
participant chose not to say (signed exemption)
participant failed to say (no signed )
I'm still amazed that a person's choice of home/lifestyle defines them as a race.Ethnic Minority Status (Ethnicity)
white - english/welsh/scottish/northern irish/british
white - irish
white - roma, gypsy or irish traveller
white - other
mixed/multiple - white and black caribbean
mixed/multiple - white and black african
mixed/multiple - white and asian
mixed/multiple - other
asian/asian british - indian
asian/asian british - Pakistani
asian/asian british - bangladeshi
asian/asian british - chinese
asian/asian british - other
black/african/caribbean/black british - african
black/african/caribbean/black british - caribbean
black/african/caribbean/black british - other
other ethnic group - arab
other ethnic group - other
participant chose not to say (signed exemption)
participant failed to say (no signed )
AAGR said:
I'm quite simply 'Yorkshire'. As any other Yorkshireman knows, we are the master race, and insist that people know it.
But you know the old saying ; 'You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much ....'
The government list would only need 3 categoriesBut you know the old saying ; 'You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much ....'
- those from Yorkshire
- those who want to be from Yorkshire
- those with no ambition
(Derek - are you saying gingers are neanderthals?)
Murph7355 said:
Derek - are you saying gingers are neanderthals?
I wouldn't dream of it. However, it would appear that those with the 'ginger gene' will have a higher percentage of Neanderthal DNA than those who have not. Make of that what you will. The article also stated that there are more Europeans with the gene and more Europeans with a greater degree of Neanderthal DNA.
The base was fairly small when I read it, but I've seen nothing to contradict it. I know that doesn't mean that there has been research showing it to be rubbish.
The article was at pains to point out that the Neanderthals had larger brains. This did not, of itself, make them more intelligent of course, but the only theory of them being rather uncivilised has no basis in research. Someone, with reddish hair as it turned out, suggested that they might have been less warlike and more community minded than 'us', although it seems us includes them.
They were, it was suggested, better adapted to the cold.
The old teachings were that the Neanderthals were out-competed and 'we' beat the s
t out of them every time we came up against them. However, with the preponderance of their DNA, at least in Europeans, it would seem that they were assimilated. There was a small tribe that lived on Gibralter that just disappeared. They could have fled to Spain or else the breeding group was too small. One point with the ginger gene is that it is more frequent in the Norse. Eric the Red and all that. Those in the UK who were under the Viking yoke until Alfred the Great, or someone, took up the defence of the realm are more likely to have it. For instance, Scotland was a second home to Vikings. Those with a lot of Norman DNA are more likely, just, to have red hair.
I used to go out with a Jewish girl who was (according to her) blonde, but she died her hair I found out. (She was lovely and generous.) She told me that ginger hair in Jews is not unknown although not common, so that drives a coach and horses through the theory I would suggest. But no one listens to me.
(Some of this research is a few years old so might well have been proved wrong. However, I don't see the problem with Neander DNA.)
Edited by Derek Smith on Monday 23 October 20:06
Not really relevant, but that's never stopped me posting a story before:
I used to run identity parades for my force. A suspect was female and had a black father and a mother of mixed African/European. The suspect looked mildly tanned, but not that much. It was in the summer and most of our females were tanned as well. Her hair was a sort of brown, but was wiry. There were two descriptions, both stating that she was white more or less.
At court I was asked by the defence brief if the others on the parade were of the same ethnic background as the suspect. I said I didn't know. The magistrate then suggested that I should know as it was important to get everyone 'identical'. (Not sure she understood the problems with an ID parade with everyone looking identical.)
I said that I had no reason to know as what was required was for everyone to have the same general appearance - this according to PACE. There was a bit of a hiatus, and I followed up with a suggestion that there was a great deal of mixture within a race. There was a woman on the bench who had 'red' hair, ginger in fact. It would have been the perfect put down, but I wanted to get the case home, so I just pointed out that the two opposing briefs were Caucasian but that there was no way I could put both on the parade. One was dark haired, the other fairly light and balding.
I had convinced the bloke on the bench and, given the verdict, his opinion was carried.
I was hoping that she'd be found NG and that the case would go to appeal.
I used to run identity parades for my force. A suspect was female and had a black father and a mother of mixed African/European. The suspect looked mildly tanned, but not that much. It was in the summer and most of our females were tanned as well. Her hair was a sort of brown, but was wiry. There were two descriptions, both stating that she was white more or less.
At court I was asked by the defence brief if the others on the parade were of the same ethnic background as the suspect. I said I didn't know. The magistrate then suggested that I should know as it was important to get everyone 'identical'. (Not sure she understood the problems with an ID parade with everyone looking identical.)
I said that I had no reason to know as what was required was for everyone to have the same general appearance - this according to PACE. There was a bit of a hiatus, and I followed up with a suggestion that there was a great deal of mixture within a race. There was a woman on the bench who had 'red' hair, ginger in fact. It would have been the perfect put down, but I wanted to get the case home, so I just pointed out that the two opposing briefs were Caucasian but that there was no way I could put both on the parade. One was dark haired, the other fairly light and balding.
I had convinced the bloke on the bench and, given the verdict, his opinion was carried.
I was hoping that she'd be found NG and that the case would go to appeal.
catso said:
Scottish?
Yes, or to be more exact, no.The gene is common in the Norse, so those Scots, northern Englanders, Irish near the coast, will tend to be more likely to have the gene.
The research which I read last year was taken from the catchily entitled 'The phenotypic legacy of admixture between modern humans and Neandertals'.
There was at least one follow-up research paper in, I think, New Scientist.
I see that the sample size was 28,000, greater than I remembered, but given the subtlety, I suppose more would be useful. In the second on Denisians were mentioned. There might have been a bit on telly about it. If Dr Alice Roberts fronted it, I might have got distracted.
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