RE: Kia Stinger GT-S vs. BMW 440i Coupe

RE: Kia Stinger GT-S vs. BMW 440i Coupe

Monday 13th November 2017

Kia Stinger GT-S vs. BMW 440i Coupe

Impressing in isolation is all well and good, but how does Kia's latest fare against BMW's fastest 4 Series?



Already you may have noticed a problem with this comparison. Yes, it's another HiChroma Red Kia Stinger GT-S, when what we really want to see is Sunset Yellow. Or Pearl White, at least. Oh yes, and it's the wrong BMW...

Shapes are different; aims are quite similar
Shapes are different; aims are quite similar
The 440i Gran Coupe is probably the clearest rival the Stinger has, being a four-door coupe saloon thingy with six turbocharged cylinders up front and power going to the rear wheels via an eight-speed automatic gearbox. Sadly BMW doesn't have one of those on its press fleet - when did you last see one, come to think of it - so a two-door 440i is going to have to suffice. Fortunately, given this is PH, we don't need to worry too much about rear-seat access or footroom when wearing your best brogues or the quality of the electric window switches - we're mostly concerned with how these cars drive, so number of doors shouldn't matter too much.

In fact, where better to start than with the dynamics of our two protagonists? Frustratingly given the demands of a photographer's lens and a road tester's belly, this was not an exhaustive cross-country assessment, but there was sufficient time to establish pros and cons in both cars.

The Kia is good; very good, in fact, with certain attributes that are superior to the BMW. It feels a cohesive, well-rounded and accomplished sports saloon, with no staggering highs but crucially no terrible weaknesses either. The damping stands out immediately, body and wheel control very well assured on a British B-road - it's fluid yet precise as well, the car allowed to move yet never feeling to lurch or lose its composure. With a car as big as the Stinger you need confidence to drive it briskly and the way it flows with a road, with compliancy and authority, sees to that quickly.

"Oh, you have a turbo'd six-cylinder engine?"
"Oh, you have a turbo'd six-cylinder engine?"
That twin-turbo V6 ensures you'll certainly be moving too, its burly mid-range and willing top end giving the Kia a generous turn of pace. It feels well suited to the automatic gearbox too, though even before switching to the BMW some hesitation and inconsistency in the powertrain's decisions can be felt.

While the Kia's steering isn't fantastic in any of its drive modes, none of its rivals - BMW included - have particularly nice systems either. It feels like criticising a politician for their dishonesty, or a footballer for their extravagance - you may not like it, and things probably were better in the old days, but lots of them are similar now and it's become a fact of modern life we're just going to have to deal with.

Pleasingly however the Stinger's Brembo brakes are strong, grip is good and, when that grip subsides, the Kia is as balanced and approachable as you would hope from a front-engined, rear-wheel drive car with a nice, long wheelbase. Having a standard limited-slip differential - which the BMW does not - gives the Kia an advantage, power apportioned decisively across the rear axle and giving you as the driver just enough messages about the car's rear-wheel driveness. It's a satisfying, engaging car to drive fast, the Stinger, and that deserves to be applauded.

"Me too!"
"Me too!"
To that BMW, then. Crumbs is it fast. Power might officially be down on the Kia but its weight advantage is in the region of 150kg, and BMW horsepower often feels a bit stronger than the numbers might suggest. With a sharper, slicker calibration of the ZF gearbox than the Kia, the 440i fairly romps along, big numbers appearing jolly fast with a reasonably pleasant straight-six soundtrack alongside.

Thing is, BMW doing a six-cylinder engine and automatic gearbox better than Kia shouldn't really come as a surprise. The surprise comes from the fact that the Korean car might be more enjoyable to drive than the German one.

The 4 Series' adaptive damping really lets it down, without a mode that really ties the car down with any conviction. In the more comfortable settings it feels aloof and wallowy, while any attempts at being more assertive make it feel awkward and fidgety. The Kia isn't perfect, but its suspension does a better job of dealing with its (additional) weight and size than the BMW's.

The steering suffers similarly, though we've kind of covered steering with the Kia. Underneath there feels to be a capable and credible sports coupe, yet the 4 Series seems totally unwilling (or unable) to make the driver enjoy those sensations. It's distant and a bit uninspiring really, which would be a disappointment from any manufacturer - leave alone BMW.

Beemer OK here, but nothing more
Beemer OK here, but nothing more
To have such a strong powertrain in a an attractive luxury coupe should be a perfect mix but, as proven with the M135i Dan Prosser is currently running, contemporary fast BMWs can leave a fair bit to be desired as ultimate driving machines in their standard form. It's all the more frustrating because of the signs of promise: the driving position here is lower, in more supportive seats, than the Kia, the driving assists intervene in a less heavy-handed way and the manual mode for the gearbox is more intuitive. As something to drive, however, the BMW isn't always tremendously impressive.

However we must be realistic; these cars will not be bought solely on their B-road aplomb, much though we'd like to think they are. Inside, despite being relatively old now (or familiar, if you want to be kind), the BMW feels superior to the Kia in terms of material quality and build. The infotainment is more responsive, the displays are sharper, that sort of thing. The Kia is very far from bad, though the interior is where the BMW holds a key advantage.

Does that matter to you? If it does that much you'll likely never consider a Kia alternative, even if it came with a V12 that did 40mpg and cost £20K. This 4 Series delivers nothing we didn't already know about BMW's current line up, with everything positive - and rather less praiseworthy - that that entails. What the Kia does, on the other hand, is deliver not only something new and exciting for the brand, but also for the sector. The Stinger doesn't simply appeal because it's different, it appeals because it's a car of real quality, ability and charm.

Many will likely dismiss it; their loss
Many will likely dismiss it; their loss
Of course a 370hp V6 Kia will always be a tough sell in the UK, particularly with the price, CO2 and fuel economy numbers being what they are. No doubt the BMW performs significantly better there, and has that propeller of assumed prosperity on its nose too. However if you are in the position to consider something alternative, and fancy the idea of a traditional rear-drive saloon like the Germans used to make, the Kia delivers. The BMW will continue to appeal thanks to its looks, interior and powertrain, but the Kia deserves to succeed for highlighting where that 4 Series falls surprisingly short.


KIA STINGER GT-S
Engine:
3,342cc V6, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive, limited-slip differential
Power (hp): 370@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 376@1,300-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.8sec
Top speed: 168mph (limited)
Weight: 1,780kg
MPG: 28.5
CO2: 225g/km
Price: £40,495 (as tested TBC)

BMW 440i
Engine:
2,998cc 6-cyl turbo
Transmission: 8-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 326@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 332@1,380-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 5.0 sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,630kg
MPG: 41.5
CO2: 159g/km
Price: £45,120 (as tested TBC)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Photos: Will Williams

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RamboLambo

Original Poster:

4,843 posts

170 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Who would of thought a Kia as good as a BMW. Shows how much the brand has progressed and the quality of product which is backed with a 7 year warranty.

Prinny

1,669 posts

99 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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What’s the Kia like for aquaplaning? (Too soon?)

kambites

67,547 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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It shows how far Kia have come in such a short time that the comparison is even being made. Of course the cynic argue that it shows how far BMW have fallen in terms of their ability to appeal to keen drivers.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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I like this Kia more and more

Shambler

1,189 posts

144 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Prinny said:
What’s the Kia like for aquaplaning? (Too soon?)
Haha

Stormfly1985

2,698 posts

166 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
I like this Kia more and more
And yet no-one will buy a £40k Kia in the UK so other than a rare dealer car no-one will actually see one on the roads. Shame.

Uppercut

118 posts

78 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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RamboLambo said:
Who would of thought a Kia as good as a BMW. Shows how much the brand has progressed and the quality of product which is backed with a 7 year warranty.
You sound like a Kia salesman.

Bill

52,694 posts

255 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Stormfly1985 said:
And yet no-one will buy a £40k Kia in the UK so other than a rare dealer car no-one will actually see one on the roads. Shame.
Those dealer cars (all 3 of them hehe) will be epic buys in a few years, for circa 2p.

Shame, it's good looking and good to drive, but no one would buy one (unless the discounts are mental) and the CO2 will make the bik too horrific for the company car market. frown

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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225g/km! oops! Think Kia need to have a bit of a word with their calibration team!

Mannginger

9,059 posts

257 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Yup that's a serious second hand purchase down the road

Bradgate

2,821 posts

147 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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A £40k non-SUV Kia which does 28 mpg and 225 CO2s?

However good the Stinger is, I really can't see them selling many. They will make Infinitis look commonplace.

kambites

67,547 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Bradgate said:
However good the Stinger is, I really can't see them selling many. They will make Infinitis look commonplace.
yes Bit baffling that they're releasing it in the UK at all really. Still, in less badge-obsessed countries it'll hopefully sell well enough for them to keep going with the concept.

JMF894

5,494 posts

155 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Mpg and CO2 the killer for the Kia most likely...............

kambites

67,547 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Max_Torque said:
225g/km! oops! Think Kia need to have a bit of a word with their calibration team!
I suppose it might be that they've set it up for WLTP rather than NEDC? WLTP was originally scheduled to replace NEDC this year some time, no idea if that's still on target?

Or as you say maybe they just buggered up European market calibration. It has to be said, it does pretty badly on the US tests as well compared to the 440i - 20mpg vs 25 for the BMW.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 12th November 18:43

IforB

9,840 posts

229 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Whether it sells is not the point. It’s a halo car and shows that Kia seem to actually know how to build a decent car.

I’m impressed with this. It looks good, obviously goes well and is cheaper than the opposition. BMW and Audi might not be worried now, but if Kia (and other Korean manufacturers like Hyundai) carry on this trajectory then they probably should.

If they do an estate version of this thing, then I’d look at it seriously.

One thing, with the likely fairly heavy depreciation and the way the public generally “buy” cars now, then they might struggle with the lease rates and so the headline price being lower might not help so much. Well other than on your P11D.

Bradgate

2,821 posts

147 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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kambites said:
yes Bit baffling that they're releasing it in the UK at all really. Still, in less badge-obsessed countries it'll hopefully sell well enough for them to keep going with the concept.
Agreed. The only things the average British company car driver cares about are CO2s and badge status. The Stinger fails on both criteria.

kambites

67,547 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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IforB said:
Whether it sells is not the point. It’s a halo car and shows that Kia seem to actually know how to build a decent car.
True, but if they don't sell any no-one will know it even exists unless they are very canny with their advertising and/or product placement.

chris333

1,034 posts

239 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Bill said:
Stormfly1985 said:
And yet no-one will buy a £40k Kia in the UK so other than a rare dealer car no-one will actually see one on the roads. Shame.
Those dealer cars (all 3 of them hehe) will be epic buys in a few years, for circa 2p.

Shame, it's good looking and good to drive, but no one would buy one (unless the discounts are mental) and the CO2 will make the bik too horrific for the company car market. frown
The discounts will needs to be pretty mental to compare to the BMW!


Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Stormfly1985 said:
And yet no-one will buy a £40k Kia in the UK so other than a rare dealer car no-one will actually see one on the roads. Shame.
Yes, it's a shame. I can't afford a £40,000 car so I won't be buying one new.

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
Stormfly1985 said:
And yet no-one will buy a £40k Kia in the UK so other than a rare dealer car no-one will actually see one on the roads. Shame.
Yes, it's a shame. I can't afford a £40,000 car so I won't be buying one new.
Nor me, interesting curio though. I'm not old enough for one of these auto wafty barges yet

To be honest, even if I had the money, I'd still rather have a manual on the sparsely populated roads round here.