Submarine disappeared...

[Wacky Racer]

We are talking about sailors lives here.

Lets hope everything turns out OK for them, but it's not looking good at the moment.

[irocfan]

wasn't there some twunt on an older Corbyn thread arguing that you could easily find a sub if you really tried (in this case Trident) and yet here we are looking for an old tech sub, know roughly where it is and yet.....

Fingers crossed for the boys on the boat but I have a feeling this will not be a happy ending

[Yipper]

HMS Protector should arrive to join the search on Sunday. Doesn't look good for the submariners, sadly.

[red_slr]

Time to bring in the "mining exploration" ship?

[Daniel1]

red_slr said:

Time to bring in the "mining exploration" ship?

The glomar explorer

[4x4Tyke]

We have obligations under international maritime law, which is drawn from our admiralty law, to provide search and rescue assistance.

I have no doubt our services will provide that with undoubted professionalism and not with the snide faux patriotism of some posters.

It seems signals have been detected by satellite and the yanks have flown in their dedicated submarine rescue vehicle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-4204...

[Byker28i]

Easternlight said:

I hope there's no lady journalist's on board!

Argentinas first female submariner was apparently
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5095397/US...

News today says it tried contacting base 7 times
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/18/americas/argenti...

[ClaphamGT3]

4x4Tyke said:

We have obligations under international maritime law, which is drawn from our admiralty law, to provide search and rescue assistance.

I have no doubt our services will provide that with undoubted professionalism and not with the snide faux patriotism of some posters.

It seems signals have been detected by satellite and the yanks have flown in their dedicated submarine rescue vehicle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-4204...

Quite apart from international law, the principle of going to the aid of fellow mariners in distress is one of the most ingrained and reflexive instincts of all sea-farers. I am sure that the RN and other specialists will be keen and pleased to assist

[PRTVR]

4x4Tyke said:

We have obligations under international maritime law, which is drawn from our admiralty law, to provide search and rescue assistance.

I have no doubt our services will provide that with undoubted professionalism and not with the snide faux patriotism of some posters.

It seems signals have been detected by satellite and the yanks have flown in their dedicated submarine rescue vehicle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-4204...

More than law we have a moral obligation, we went to the aid of the Russians and I am sure will help in this situation, just a shame we have no sub hunting aircraft anymore.

[E24man]

There are loads of communication systems on board most modern (post 1960's) submarines and so no communication at all is not a good sign.

Emergency beacons can be released from the submarine at any depth even without power so making a radio signal from the accident location possible.

All submarines have an up-to-date maximum diving depth dependant on a very large number of factors, but trust me, you don't want to drift below that as all the creaking, groaning and water hissing starts occuring all too quickly.

The second most inhospitable environment for humans after outer space is deep in an ocean. Wikipedia the history of USS Thresher for an all too true account on what can go horribly wrong at significant depth, or HMS Thetis or the Kursk account for how inaction at relatively shallow depths can end in disaster.

Thoughts go out to the Crew and their families and I just hope politics don't interfere with any rescue attempts as they did with Kursk.

[skyrover]

It takes very little.

The Chinese have had 2 incidents in the last 20 years, one with an older sub and one with a more modern sub.

In the first instance, the diesel engine suffocated everyone on board when it used up all the oxygen after failing to shut down. It took 10 day's to find the submarine as it was running silent and only found due to a fisherman spotting the periscope.

This was a submarine based on a WWII era design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_submarine_36...

The most recent incident was an incident involving a Kilo class submarine which encountered an underwater density anomaly, causing the submarine to suddenly plunge into a deep ocean trench.

Thankfully the crew managed to save the vessel, despite multiple equipment failures.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-12/18/cont...

Edited by skyrover on Sunday 19th November 10:02

[Wrathalanche]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Quite apart from international law, the principle of going to the aid of fellow mariners in distress is one of the most ingrained and reflexive instincts of all sea-farers. I am sure that the RN and other specialists will be keen and pleased to assist

I can confirm that is exactly what is happening. There is a communications portal that the world’s submarine fleet commanders and some sub-contractors use to share information and to make it known what assets are rescue ready and where they are in the world in the event of an emergency. Pretty much every submarine rescue service that can be air-transported has been offered up to assist the Argentinians – all out of a seafarer’s bond. The trouble is there is no use asking for help until they know exactly where the sub is. Fair play to the Americans for mobilising their kit without a purchase order from the Argentinians. Moving this much equipment and chartering vessels isn’t cheap.

The good news is that if they are found in the next day or so at a reachable depth (600m), an intervention vessel should be able to get to them on time and can deliver life support and provisions (oxygen candles, food, meds etc) in pods via an ROV. This can keep the crew going until the rescue effort reaches them (which typically takes a few days longer to mobilise). There’s a serious shortage of suitable vessels to fit out to in that area, however, never mind the weather and sea conditions that are being reported. Anything over 5m wave height rules out intervention or a rescue for the time being.

[Yipper]

Some reports this evening are suggesting the sub has been semi-located and tapping noises have been picked up from inside the hull. They may have enough oxygen to survive on the seabed until Weds (if that's where they are). Unlikely, but a miracle may yet happen.

Interesting to see the sub's hull was past its normal 30-year operating lifespan (launched in 1985). This is / was a creaky old sub.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/20/americas/argenti...

[anonymous-user]

The best of luck to them.

[B'stard Child]

Derek Smith said:

techiedave said:

Or it will be if its seen bobbing down a Scottish river with its captain discussing terms of his defection

They have toilets on board.

Deserved more recognition

[red_slr]

US Navy have reported they may have found it, but only in 80m of water, which seems unlikely imho as they would be able to send emergency signals at that depth I would have thought.

[PRTVR]

Only if the hull is intact.

[chunder27]

I do hope these men are found

I can't imagine anything worse than this.

But what a fabulously heart warming story it could be.

Here's hoping

[anonymous-user]

I wonder how the OP feels now? Here is his gem of humanity, complete with knuckle dragger's apostrophe :-

ian in lancs said:

Shame we don't have any Vulcan's left - it could join the search

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-4203...

[Pebbles167]

Hopefully they can be rescued quickly.

Out of interest, what sort of pressure would the body be under at that depth, if released into the water? Would a swim to the surface be safe enough to risk doing? I think people have escaped from submarines at lower depths, although many who attempt it die.