New cash cow junction in London

New cash cow junction in London

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saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Apparently it looks pretty normal junction except some discrete buses and bikes only 7am- 7pm signs
All in the name of road safety - close it and it'll be safe - they could try that everywhere



The buses and cycles only part allows cameras to be used for auto enforcement

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Pica-Pica

13,620 posts

83 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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And nicely written in white letters on candy pink, for those who cannot read road signs. Urban clutter, that leads to delayed response because you read all signs. Clever, NOT!

Blakewater

4,303 posts

156 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Closed roads and poor signage have traffic queuing all round cities making unnecessarily long journeys. Those that make a mistake get hit in the wallet. We're told it's to ease congestion.

As more cameras for bus lanes, average speed and all the rest of it go up where I live, more and more people mysteriously lose their numberplates. With no actual police around, who's going to enforce the lack of them?

_Marvin

134 posts

100 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Walk through here every day going to work. The signs are so incredibly obvious, with warnings up prior to the pilot starting as well. It was well publicised too. No excuse for anyone flouting it, it's clear as day, and there are plenty of other routes that can be taken without going through Bank.

saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Any ideas why they didnt ban buses too?

James TiT

234 posts

85 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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They should penalise cyclists who go through red lights.

8V085

670 posts

76 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Cash cow my ass. It's a tax on stupidity and blindness. I work in the area and those who were caught out should be forced to retake their tests since they are either too stupid to drive or found their licences in a council provided pack of Kelloggs.

saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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8V085 said:
Cash cow my ass. It's a tax on stupidity and blindness. I work in the area and those who were caught out should be forced to retake their tests since they are either too stupid to drive or found their licences in a council provided pack of Kelloggs.
As far as I know they havent made stupidity, a punishable offence - yet
If it was backed up by camera enforcement it could be quite a money earner silly

ETA who would be first in line, the people inventing the signage or the ones getting it wrong

yellowjack

17,065 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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James TiT said:
They should penalise cyclists who go through red lights.
What a TiT...


...aka: Really? This repetitive st AGAIN?

saaby93

Original Poster:

32,038 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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yellowjack said:
James TiT said:
They should penalise cyclists who go through red lights.
What a TiT...


...aka: Really? This repetitive st AGAIN?
I had no idea what it was to do with this thread

AmitG

3,272 posts

159 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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_Marvin said:
Walk through here every day going to work. The signs are so incredibly obvious, with warnings up prior to the pilot starting as well. It was well publicised too. No excuse for anyone flouting it, it's clear as day, and there are plenty of other routes that can be taken without going through Bank.
I walk through this junction on the way to work as well. I agree the signs are clear. However, I don't agree with this move. I believe that there were a couple of cycling related deaths at this junction over the past couple of years. However, all that this move has done is to push the traffic onto the side roads, which are now more dangerous than before (watch the pedestrians trying to cross the side roads heading towards Liverpool Street station). There is no "diversion" signage at all - in other words, you see the no-entry sign, you turn onto the nearest side road because that's all you can do, and then...no signs to guide you further, you're on your own (and bear in mind that many roads in the Square Mile are one-way or restricted in some way, so unless you know the roads, you can get trapped quickly). And they've removed a zebra crossing so IMHO it's less safe for pedestrians than before.

I think this is a classic case of the Mayor wanting to be seen to be "doing something".


wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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8V085 said:
Cash cow my ass. It's a tax on stupidity and blindness. I work in the area and those who were caught out should be forced to retake their tests since they are either too stupid to drive or found their licences in a council provided pack of Kelloggs.
anyone that thinks allowing local politicians to decide which publicly funded roads the public can use in their cars needs to have a word with themselves, imo of course.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Cars are already banned on most of Oxford Street between 07:00 and 19:00 every day apart from Sunday.

Oxford Street will be fully pedestrianised by 2020, the mayor of London's office has said.

All traffic including buses and taxis will be banned from the shopping street - one of the most famous in the world - as part of Sadiq Khan's plans to tackle air pollution.

schmunk

4,399 posts

124 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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James TiT said:
They should penalise cyclists who go through red lights.
They sometimes do - I've more than once seen police on Gracechurch Street / Bishopsgate stopping cyclists and issuing fines.

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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_Marvin said:
Walk through here every day going to work. The signs are so incredibly obvious, with warnings up prior to the pilot starting as well. It was well publicised too. No excuse for anyone flouting it, it's clear as day, and there are plenty of other routes that can be taken without going through Bank.
Haven't seen how this junction is done but if you're driving with other road users obstructing its far less easy to observe non-essential seeming restrictions than if you're ambling along the pavement, the LA tend to set these things up to snare people rather than make it blatantly obvious or impossible too.

Mind I pay more attention to waze than the road these days for precisely this reason, which obviously makes me a much better driver.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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_Marvin said:
Walk through here every day going to work. The signs are so incredibly obvious, with warnings up prior to the pilot starting as well. It was well publicised too. No excuse for anyone flouting it, it's clear as day, and there are plenty of other routes that can be taken without going through Bank.
You're not suggesting the Daily Mail are being economical with the truth, are you? Say it ain't so! The sky is falling in!

Who in their right mind drives through the City, M-F 7-7, anyway - unless they're doing local deliveries?

768

13,600 posts

95 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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_Marvin said:
Walk through here every day going to work. The signs are so incredibly obvious, with warnings up prior to the pilot starting as well. It was well publicised too. No excuse for anyone flouting it, it's clear as day, and there are plenty of other routes that can be taken without going through Bank.
If the perspective of someone who walks past a junction every day isn't the standard we should be aiming for then I just don't know what is.

deckster

9,630 posts

254 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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wc98 said:
anyone that thinks allowing local politicians to decide which publicly funded roads the public can use in their cars needs to have a word with themselves, imo of course.
Bizarre statement. Who else other than the local council would decide?

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
_Marvin said:
Walk through here every day going to work. The signs are so incredibly obvious, with warnings up prior to the pilot starting as well. It was well publicised too. No excuse for anyone flouting it, it's clear as day, and there are plenty of other routes that can be taken without going through Bank.
You're not suggesting the Daily Mail are being economical with the truth, are you? Say it ain't so! The sky is falling in!

Who in their right mind drives through the City, M-F 7-7, anyway - unless they're doing local deliveries?
Have to agree with your final point, it's hard to imagine why someone would drive there.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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deckster said:
wc98 said:
anyone that thinks allowing local politicians to decide which publicly funded roads the public can use in their cars needs to have a word with themselves, imo of course.
Bizarre statement. Who else other than the local council would decide?
The Chuckle Brothers, they'd do a better job.