How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)

[anonymous-user]

andymadmak said:

Just provide a link to a credible source......

Although not a link to a poll, my inlaws don't use the internet, voted leave and believed that an extra £350m would go to the NHS, they also read the Express.

Both my parents when alive didn't use the internet, The same applied to my grandparents and many of my remaining aunties and uncles. Getting them to understand what a text is is challenging to say the least.

[powerstroke]

Ghibli said:

andymadmak said:

Just provide a link to a credible source......

Although not a link to a poll, my inlaws don't use the internet, voted leave and believed that an extra £350m would go to the NHS, they also read the Express.

Both my parents when alive didn't use the internet, The same applied to my grandparents and many of my remaining aunties and uncles. Getting them to understand what a text is is challenging to say the least.

Yes good point Giblet , everything on social media and the Internet is 100% true and honest

[anonymous-user]

powerstroke said:

Yes good point Giblet , everything on social media and the Internet is 100% true and honest

That's right pullingstroke, not everything on the internet is true. My comment above is though, just like me not voting in the PH poll.

If you don't believe me, that's your very own problem.

[Murph7355]

Ghibli said:

Although not a link to a poll, my inlaws don't use the internet, voted leave and believed that an extra £350m would go to the NHS, they also read the Express.

Both my parents when alive didn't use the internet, The same applied to my grandparents and many of my remaining aunties and uncles. Getting them to understand what a text is is challenging to say the least.

My in-laws and parents use the internet more than I do. Neither read the Express, both read the Mail (sadly) one set voted Remain, the other Leave.

Are we a score draw on anecdote bingo now?

[Murph7355]

Ridgemont said:

Tony Blair was on the Today programme on R4 last week clearly outlining a path to reversing Brexit via Labour reverse ferreting, and adopting a remain stance, winning a GE then using parliament to overturn both the Brexit bill and request article 50 is allowed to be withdrawn. John Humphries pointed out that civil unrest would be the likely outcome. I don’t think he’s wrong.

All he needs to do is get the current Labour leader replaced and win a GE. All before 2019 or maybe 2021 at the outside... Good to see Blair with his feet on the ground as ever.

[anonymous-user]

Murph7355 said:

Are we a score draw on anecdote bingo now?

No, some people use the internet and some don't. Alll of the younger people in my family use the internet and the older ones don't. The fact that the internet wasn't available when they were young might be the reason?

Ulitimately not everyone will use the internet just like not everyone is a member of PH's

[don'tbesilly]

ORD said:

don'tbesilly said:

You've claimed it (leavers are less frequent users of the internet) but want me to prove your opinion on your behalf.

I apparently know it? Do I? Why would I know it?
You have a very low opinion of anyone who voted Leave which is evident by your posts,don't tar me with your brush.

I'm not disputing anything, I've asked you to put some evidence forward to support what to date is nothing other than an opinion based on your biased and to date unfounded opinion.

If you're going to make claims, support them or don't make them.

You claim intellectual honesty, but it's clear you don't have what you complain about of others of not having.

You don't seriously doubt the truth of what I said. You cannot, unless of course you think that older people use the internet as much as younger people.

I always get suspicious when someone moves the goalposts as you have, you have gone from all Leavers using the Internet less than Remainer's to just the elderly Leave voters using it less.

As previously asked, can you support your claim, without doing so it is nothing other than an opinion based on bias.

You mentioned intellectual honesty earlier, if changing what you wrote earlier to one of a differing position to later is either honest or intellectual, you seem to have an issue with both traits that you claim to possess.

[gooner1]

Murph7355 said:

Ridgemont said:

Tony Blair was on the Today programme on R4 last week clearly outlining a path to reversing Brexit via Labour reverse ferreting, and adopting a remain stance, winning a GE then using parliament to overturn both the Brexit bill and request article 50 is allowed to be withdrawn. John Humphries pointed out that civil unrest would be the likely outcome. I don’t think he’s wrong.

All he needs to do is get the current Labour leader replaced and win a GE. All before 2019 or maybe 2021 at the outside... Good to see Blair with his feet on the ground as ever.

I'd like to see him with his feet off the ground, john McDonnell stylee.

[jjlynn27]

hyphen said:

Mail delivers http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5274073/Pr...

Indeed. Kipper trash in action.

Always funny.

[mx5nut]

Good news, Brexiteers - you're getting your stamps.

[The Dangerous Elk]

mx5nut said:

Another post that adds ZERO to the discussion from MX5

[gooner1]

mx5nut said:

Good news, Brexiteers - you're getting your stamps.

Strange, I expected to see a Luger in the first post.
Not sure it's awfully pc to take the piss out of the French archers at Agincourt either,
As for her Maj., is it not an offence to deface her stamps or Banknotes?

[anonymous-user]

gooner1 said:

As for her Maj., is it not an offence to deface her stamps

I wouldn't worry about it, the post office have been doing it for years.

[barryrs]

gooner1 said:

Strange, I expected to see a Luger in the first post.
Not sure it's awfully pc to take the piss out of the French archers at Agincourt either,
As for her Maj., is it not an offence to deface her stamps or Banknotes?

I expect the talented individuals that produced them all have degrees too.

[gooner1]

Ghibli said:

gooner1 said:

As for her Maj., is it not an offence to deface her stamps

I wouldn't worry about it, the post office have been doing it for years.

Have they? The complete and utter bounders.

Edited by gooner1 on Wednesday 17th January 11:02

[wc98]

Zod said:

I think we can cope with a bunch of "rioting" 60+ types.

edit: just noticed that the Mash said the same thing more amusingly

i think the 60 plus lot will manage quite well with the hi viz wearing, latte drinking, islington based ,marketing executives charging them on push bikes with their eu flags . if nothing else seeing islington turned into a smouldering hole in the ground by pensioners will be fun .





note the above is meant as a light hearted joke, before the oversensitive start with their think of the children nonsense.

[ORD]

don'tbesilly said:

I always get suspicious when someone moves the goalposts as you have, you have gone from all Leavers using the Internet less than Remainer's to just the elderly Leave voters using it less.

As previously asked, can you support your claim, without doing so it is nothing other than an opinion based on bias.

You mentioned intellectual honesty earlier, if changing what you wrote earlier to one of a differing position to later is either honest or intellectual, you seem to have an issue with both traits that you claim to possess.

If Leave voters are on average much older (indisputable) and older people on average use the internet much less (indisputable), it follows that Leave voters are on average less likely to use the internet much.

Of course, there might be something peculiar about Leave voters that means older ones use the internet a lot, but I doubt it. Or there might be something peculiar about Remain voters that means younger ones use the internet very little, but I doubt it.

Same point as before, expressed in terms that even the anti-knowledge brigade can hopefully follow without throwing up their ‘prove that obviously true thing’ card and stamping around. See also ‘Hard Brexit will damage the economy’ or ‘Grass is green’.

[Zigster]

Islington?

No wonder those Brexiteers were so cross - they had just realised they were in Downing Street with Islington over 3 miles away, and there is no way the battery on their mobility scooter would last long enough to get them there to start a riot.

[barryrs]

ORD said:

If Leave voters are on average much older (indisputable) .

60% of 50 - 64 year olds voted leave.

50 to 64 = much older! They arent even retired in most cases.

NB.
Im not 40 yet.

[Eddie Strohacker]

It would serve you better to understand that a handful of people around here will seize on any ambiguous question & throttle it until they choke the living essence from it. To them, that represents some form of internet victory. Thus, offering up the idea that old farts are far less likely to be internet savvy than the kids, whilst almost certainly true, will not offer any lasting reward when placed in the context of the referendum.

You can then surmise it's not a great place to take an argument, but in fairness, you can also infer a great deal from the tenacity with which a few people will persist with it & the character traits arising. But I guess those long blank days of retirement won't fill themselves now, will they?