How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)
Discussion
Crackie said:
To claim that youngsters of today have more experience of the outside world is nuts mx5nut. The parents of the youngsters you speak of, were they not alive for the period of their children's entire lives? Were they not in the EU themselves for that period, were they so disinterested in their own children's future so as not to be aware of any of the benefits and opportunities you mention.
Surely, the average 20-year old if they have had the benefit of much international travel over their lives will have experience the vast majority of that with their parents? Therefore, by definition, the maximum experience they may have had of overseas is equal to or less than their parents?Sadly the vast majority of 20 year olds will not have been given £20k and a year off to do a cultured tour of the world at 18 taking in what the world offers and only dipping into the Guardian International Edition occasionally to find out what is happening at home. For the vast majority of 20 year olds if they are lucky enough to have had much foreign exposure on their own it will be on a Ryanair flight out of Stansted to Mallorca for a few nights where they got pissed and shouted abuse at some Germans.
Crackie said:
To claim that youngsters of today have more experience of the outside world is nuts mx5nut.
To claim that older equals more experienced is equally as nuts Crackie.Getting older is mandatory... getting wiser is optional.
There are just as many old people who have no real world experience as young people, the difference is the old people think that because they're old, their opinion counts more (and no, I'm Gen X).
If I were to say whether baby boomers or millennials had more real world experience, I'd say the millennials have a slight advantage, but only slightly. Baby boomers really had everything handed to them on a plate from the post war boom and then midlife in the halcyon days of the 90's and early 00's.
captain_cynic said:
If I were to say whether baby boomers or millennials had more real world experience, I'd say the millennials have a slight advantage, but only slightly. Baby boomers really had everything handed to them on a plate from the post war boom and then midlife in the halcyon days of the 90's and early 00's.
Seriously? Many baby boomers were exposed to the 70's, the oldest the 50's. Austerity then was real. So everything handed to them?confused_buyer said:
Crackie said:
To claim that youngsters of today have more experience of the outside world is nuts mx5nut. The parents of the youngsters you speak of, were they not alive for the period of their children's entire lives? Were they not in the EU themselves for that period, were they so disinterested in their own children's future so as not to be aware of any of the benefits and opportunities you mention.
Surely, the average 20-year old if they have had the benefit of much international travel over their lives will have experience the vast majority of that with their parents? Therefore, by definition, the maximum experience they may have had of overseas is equal to or less than their parents?Sadly the vast majority of 20 year olds will not have been given £20k and a year off to do a cultured tour of the world at 18 taking in what the world offers and only dipping into the Guardian International Edition occasionally to find out what is happening at home. For the vast majority of 20 year olds if they are lucky enough to have had much foreign exposure on their own it will be on a Ryanair flight out of Stansted to Mallorca for a few nights where they got pissed and shouted abuse at some Germans.
- I like going on holiday in Europe, so Brexit = bad
- I like tapas/pinxtos, so Brexit = bad
s2art said:
Seriously? Many baby boomers were exposed to the 70's, the oldest the 50's. Austerity then was real. So everything handed to them?
Be kind to him, puppies have no knowledge of even recent history, remember most of them think Churchill is a dog and the three day week is what you do at Uni.captain_cynic said:
Crackie said:
To claim that youngsters of today have more experience of the outside world is nuts mx5nut.
To claim that older equals more experienced is equally as nuts Crackie.Getting older is mandatory... getting wiser is optional.
There are just as many old people who have no real world experience as young people, the difference is the old people think that because they're old, their opinion counts more (and no, I'm Gen X).
If I were to say whether baby boomers or millennials had more real world experience, I'd say the millennials have a slight advantage, but only slightly. Baby boomers really had everything handed to them on a plate from the post war boom and then midlife in the halcyon days of the 90's and early 00's.
Did you see The Dangerous Elk's post at 9.49 today? " There's those that know, there's those that don't know and there's those that don't know they don't know. ". You're in the last category.
The section in bold above just makes you sound bitter and jealous. What was halcyon about the 90's and early 00's ? I take it you didn't have a mortgage in the 90's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_...
Edited by Crackie on Thursday 18th January 11:28
confused_buyer said:
Sadly the vast majority of 20 year olds will not have been given £20k and a year off to do a cultured tour of the world at 18 taking in what the world offers and only dipping into the Guardian International Edition occasionally to find out what is happening at home. For the vast majority of 20 year olds if they are lucky enough to have had much foreign exposure on their own it will be on a Ryanair flight out of Stansted to Mallorca for a few nights where they got pissed and shouted abuse at some Germans.
Are you suggesting a generation or generations of 18 year olds were given £20k to finance a world tour during their gap year?Edited by Crackie on Thursday 18th January 12:29
B'stard Child said:
Checks in - two new pages of dross
Sets reminder to check in again in a few days
As above, except it's 7 days worth of dross.Sets reminder to check in again in a few days
Meanwhile as pointed out by North Snr in the usual place on the web, Mário Centano, Portuguese Finance Minister just appointed leader of the Eurogroup has just declared that Europe needs a government as soon as possible, and that the ESM bailout mechanism be converted into a full on European Monetary Fund, anchored in law and controlled by parliament, all built on the five Presidents report and Commission plans.
Indication, as if the realists amongst us ever needed it, that the Remain vote relying on "status quo" and/or "reform from within" were just pie in the sky delusions or maybe even deliberate deceptions which would have left us facing yet another treaty. Someone should have put that on a bus.
Anyway off for a week, will be back to take the piss later.
Germans !.....now give up your control of the Euro
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/14/cnbc-transcript-si...
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/14/cnbc-transcript-si...
The Dangerous Elk said:
Germans !.....now give up your control of the Euro
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/14/cnbc-transcript-si...
I particularly like the bit that goes...https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/14/cnbc-transcript-si...
Article said:
But also, on the importance for all the institutions to back these reforms, and to provide time and demand as I tend to, and I'd like to portray it, in the future.
This means that that we have to (Centeno cuts sentence here).
I wonder.This means that that we have to (Centeno cuts sentence here).
What he is saying about the coordination of domestic election cycles is that when all the national governments have a 5 year mandate at the same time, they can push through unpopular reforms easier because citizens have no way to stop it.
He is pretty clear that the minority voices in Europe don't count.
He is pretty clear that the minority voices in Europe don't count.
mx5nut said:
jsf said:
Voting patterns change with maturity and experience of life. The "old" were once "young" and often their democratic choices change from idealistic to practical as they age, which is why the young usually vote for more socialist policies then shift their position towards a more conservative viewpoint as they gain more life experience. This pattern is unlikely to change, so hoping the old will die off to change the EU voting pattern is asking for something that generally doesn't happen.
You may be surprised.The youngsters of today have grown up with the benefits and opportunities of living in an EU country their entire lives, and thanks to the cost of doing so plummeting in that time are likely to have more experience of the world outside of the UK than our generation. The "make Britain great again" nonsense means little to them.
We'll see the opposite effect where people generally vote Conservative with age. It's getting prohibitively difficult for young people to buy a house, have a feeling of secure employment etc that usually causes them to start to lean towards them. At the last GE, every age group up to 50+ favoured Labour.
Amazing!
But do explain; if
“The youngsters of today have grown up with the benefits and opportunities of living in an EU country their entire lives, and thanks to the cost of doing so plummeting in that time......’
how come
“It's getting prohibitively difficult for young people to buy a house, have a feeling of secure employment etc”?
Or is that just in the last 18 months or so
But you’re right. It is difficult for people to buy homes and find secure employment. Not just in the UK but in many other EU Countries.
See the common denominator?
REALIST123 said:
It’s happened! A post that, in itself, proves itself wrong.
Amazing!
But do explain; if
“The youngsters of today have grown up with the benefits and opportunities of living in an EU country their entire lives, and thanks to the cost of doing so plummeting in that time......’
how come
“It's getting prohibitively difficult for young people to buy a house, have a feeling of secure employment etc”?
Or is that just in the last 18 months or so
But you’re right. It is difficult for people to buy homes and find secure employment. Not just in the UK but in many other EU Countries.
See the common denominator?
i think that is why mx5nut limits himself to no more than a few lines at most. anymore and the post is either plain wrong, hyopocritical, stupid or contradictory . quite often all four.Amazing!
But do explain; if
“The youngsters of today have grown up with the benefits and opportunities of living in an EU country their entire lives, and thanks to the cost of doing so plummeting in that time......’
how come
“It's getting prohibitively difficult for young people to buy a house, have a feeling of secure employment etc”?
Or is that just in the last 18 months or so
But you’re right. It is difficult for people to buy homes and find secure employment. Not just in the UK but in many other EU Countries.
See the common denominator?
#prayformx5nut
Crackie said:
Are you suggesting a generation or generations of 18 year olds were given £20k to finance a world tour during their gap year?
No, the opposite. I'm not convinced the average 20 year old's experience of the world is that wide, certainly no more than the average 40 year old.Edited by Crackie on Thursday 18th January 12:29
confused_buyer said:
Crackie said:
Are you suggesting a generation or generations of 18 year olds were given £20k to finance a world tour during their gap year?
No, the opposite. I'm not convinced the average 20 year old's experience of the world is that wide, certainly no more than the average 40 year old.Edited by Crackie on Thursday 18th January 12:29
frisbee said:
don'tbesilly said:
I haven't made any claims about the NHS, nor will I. Does that help with a point you were trying to make but have clearly failed.
I can offer an opinion though, and that opinion would be that your figure is not correct.
If you'd said thirteeny billion pounds it would still be a made up figure, as would, and at a guess, any figure you make up.
Are you seriously suggesting that people would make up numbers about savings for the NHS? I'm shocked, who would do such a thing, national treasure, think of the nurses etc..I can offer an opinion though, and that opinion would be that your figure is not correct.
If you'd said thirteeny billion pounds it would still be a made up figure, as would, and at a guess, any figure you make up.
I am unclear how UKIP came up with the £350 million.
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