How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)
Discussion
wc98 said:
politicians of all persuasions in the western world need to realise their populations moved on long ago. they need to get back to the basics of public service . endless pontificating about various things like ideological constructs very few give a flying f
k about while feathering their own nests is about all most people see. the only people that don't see it are those that mix in those circles (as evidenced by one particular contributor to these threads) . i doubt there has ever been a time when as a group they were held in such low regard.
i mean ffs, look at the endless photo shoots in and around various eu meetings/global summits. the daft fks really are so conceited they think people regard them as celebrities and wish to see their pictures.they are beyond delusional. politics now appears to me to be as relevant to the general public as the hollywood set. completely detached from the reality of the majority and almost as irrelevant .
for me the current political system is near the end of its natural useful lifespan. it will be interesting to see what comes next .
Yes exactly , and the EU is the personification of this , and our 3rd raters are very worried about leaving the EU as the buck will stop with them , look at the pro EU k about while feathering their own nests is about all most people see. the only people that don't see it are those that mix in those circles (as evidenced by one particular contributor to these threads) . i doubt there has ever been a time when as a group they were held in such low regard.i mean ffs, look at the endless photo shoots in and around various eu meetings/global summits. the daft f
ks really are so conceited they think people regard them as celebrities and wish to see their pictures.they are beyond delusional. politics now appears to me to be as relevant to the general public as the hollywood set. completely detached from the reality of the majority and almost as irrelevant .for me the current political system is near the end of its natural useful lifespan. it will be interesting to see what comes next .
people almost all to a man useless tossers that f
ked up things and or feathered their own nests while doing it Hesleltine ,Blair et all ...
Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 20th January 16:51
don'tbesilly said:
Perhaps that's why JJ is so obsessed with FCR and posted the picture.
I'd bet FCR will be thrilled to have a stalker with the eminence of JJ (in his imagination).
I'd bet FCR will be thrilled to have a stalker with the eminence of JJ (in his imagination).
Every time I think you can't post anything more stupid than the previous post, 'Hans', you prove me wrong.
don'tbesilly said:
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Meet Hans from Afghanistan, my heart goes out to an 11 year old that has to cope with that amount of facial hair at 11, poor mite.
He's only just discovered that pulling his penis gives him a fuzzy feeling
jjlynn27 said:
don'tbesilly said:
Perhaps that's why JJ is so obsessed with FCR and posted the picture.
I'd bet FCR will be thrilled to have a stalker with the eminence of JJ (in his imagination).
I'd bet FCR will be thrilled to have a stalker with the eminence of JJ (in his imagination).
Every time I think you can't post anything more stupid than the previous post, 'Hans', you prove me wrong.
don'tbesilly said:
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Meet Hans from Afghanistan, my heart goes out to an 11 year old that has to cope with that amount of facial hair at 11, poor mite.
He's only just discovered that pulling his penis gives him a fuzzy feeling
Still a stalky
jsf said:
b2hbm said:
If they had been able to demonstrate benefits of retaining membership or how influential the UK was in the EU then it would have swayed the floating vote because "business as usual" is generally seen as the safe option. But they didn't and all Leave had to do was point at the "coke & hookers" bill and how Cameron started off with "no way" and then quietly paid up as examples of the lack of UK influence.
Its worth watching this again, Cameron on the EU coke and hookers bill.It wasn't just the number that pissed people off, it was the attitude of the EU commissioners, Cameron doesn't hold back on that.
https://youtu.be/o-kk18AbdeI?t=3m27s
Followed by this
https://youtu.be/Xj9NTcLlyQg
Followed by this
https://youtu.be/woMGJwLNFxM
Makes the whole shebang look like a racket.
Then you have Cameron saying he negotiated a stop on migrant worker benefits, only for Barosso to go on newsnight to say it wont make any difference to the number of migrants that will come to the UK. So another scam. He also dismisses the issue of the 1 million new migrants to Germany soon having the right to come to the UK.
https://youtu.be/299zIEm8Q64
There was zero trust in the UK having a voice that would change the EU in a way that leavers would see as addressing their concerns.
What's the phrase, "be careful of what you wish for" ?
don'tbesilly said:
jjlynn27 said:
don'tbesilly said:
Perhaps that's why JJ is so obsessed with FCR and posted the picture.
I'd bet FCR will be thrilled to have a stalker with the eminence of JJ (in his imagination).
I'd bet FCR will be thrilled to have a stalker with the eminence of JJ (in his imagination).
Every time I think you can't post anything more stupid than the previous post, 'Hans', you prove me wrong.
don'tbesilly said:
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Meet Hans from Afghanistan, my heart goes out to an 11 year old that has to cope with that amount of facial hair at 11, poor mite.
He's only just discovered that pulling his penis gives him a fuzzy feeling
Still a stalky
'Omg, look I can't figure out that card with id 1234567890 is a bad photoshop'. So simple, so adorable.
jjlynn27 said:
andymadmak said:
ahh, our resident toxic Fin has landed.
andymadmak said:
I made no dishonest claim. You (as you frequently do) have misconstrued what was said.
I know, it's total misconstruction to read 'leave campaign', instead of 'the bus', when you type 'leave campaign'. andymadmak said:
So, if I understand you correctly, an ambiguous message on a bus had more political influence on the EU Referendum debate than the then serving Chancellor of the Exchequer issuing the clearly articulated warnings that he did.
Righty ho
To which some posters challenged my use of the word ambiguous.Righty ho
I then posted this in response to Eddie
andymadmak said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
andymadmak said:
ambiguous
big red bus said:
We send the EU £350million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead
I think it is clear that the leave campaign is suggesting that at least some of that £350m should be going to the NHS instead. What is ambiguous is how much of it. Some Remainers continue to get a bit frothy about whether the £350m is an accurate figure. I can understand that position. (shock!)
I never saw the bus personally, but notwithstanding that technicality, I personally think that the net figure should have been used - by net I mean the figure after the rebate, not the figure after rebate and money spent by the EU in the UK.
The reason why I think this is because spending a proportion of our contribution in the UK - a proportion which the UK did not control on things that the UK did not control fully - does not mitigate the fact that the money had to be sent in the first place. But I do concede that others may hold a different opinion on that point.
You then posted an entirely different picture, completely devoid of anything even mildly bus-like - to be specific, this one:
To which I replied
andymadmak said:
Given that I was referring to the bus when I was talking about ambiguity, how does posting this picture change that? This poster is clearly not ambiguous and is clearly meant to deceive.
So, no dishonesty from me. Plus, as soon as I saw the Fox picture I accepted that it was intended to deceive. Your basic inability to understand english ( it does seem to happen quite a lot), coupled with your insistence that anyone failing to toe the line with your interpretations of what they themselves have said as being either liars or dishonest or similar, PLUS your unnecessarily abrasive style makes debating with you extremely challenging. Why not try to engage a bit more positively? Others have, and the results have been some very informed and enlightening posts from both sides of the debate.
John Bercow with some timely advice to the mob who think democracy shouldn't apply to things that are going their way.
Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
jjlynn27 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Yes.
If they hadn't been let in the first place the crime wouldn't have happened.
If they hadn't been let in the first place the crime wouldn't have happened.
mx5nut][url said:
John Bercow crys because he wants another, and another and another vote until it goes the way he thinks we plebs should have voted.
FTFYI am very happy if Remainers would like another vote to join the Eu, in time.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Saturday 20th January 20:04
andymadmak said:
...waffle...
One last chance? Oh dear, I better take that seriously.
You started with a reply to ord's post, where he doesn't mention the bus, just the £350m, by linking that 'ambiguous' message to the bus, that you didn't see, despite being one of the most prolific posters on anything brexit related. The bus that was plastered all over the place, news, tv, internet.
Few posters went on to laugh at the "ambiguous" part, as it's to use your words 'clearly' disingenuous.
Me, in order to help you out, post the picture, which is, again, quite clearly (!) linked to the message on the bus (y'know, that one that you didn't see).
This is the relevant part of my post that triggered you. No 'sneering' comments, no comments of any kind. Just an image explaining that your statement about leave campaign, (bold part of your message) and 'ambiguous' part is completely wrong.
jjlynn27 said:
andymadmak said:
I think it is clear that the leave campaign is suggesting that at least some of that £350m should be going to the NHS instead. What is ambiguous is how much of it.
andymadmak said:
Ahh the never ending tactics of the small rump that is the bitter Remainers...
and continue with ...andymadmak said:
I say that the bus is a bit ambiguous, so a rump member posts an entirely different image to show I am being disingenuous!
It would be a bit disingenuous to claim that you said 'a bit ambiguous', wouldn't it? I don't believe that you are stupid enough not to see the link between the poster on the side of the bus and the poster. But you never saw either.
And so on and so forth. The song (always) remains the same (!).
Accusing others of rude, sneering, whatever posts, while doing exactly the same thing and relying on a gaggle of regular posters to do the usual 'oh yea, that' replies.
As always, still entertaining.
mx5nut said:
John Bercow with some timely advice to the mob who think democracy shouldn't apply to things that are going their way.
Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
You can have a referendum. You just kinda have to vote for it. Did you do so with the last chance at the election, or were you like some of the other vocal Remainers that quietly voted for Mrs May ? My guess is you too will avoid answering. Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
mx5nut said:
John Bercow with some timely advice to the mob who think democracy shouldn't apply to things that are going their way.
Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
Great more proof if needed that voting to leave was 100% right Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
what a surprise who would have thought the little toad was pro EU
jjlynn27 said:
stuff
I think I am happy to let our peers judge who is honest and who is not. Last time we were going to allow our peers to judge us, you chickened out, claiming it would be unfair.
Go find a rock and hide beneath it JJ. You're beyond redemption, you sad, sad little man
mx5nut said:
John Bercow with some timely advice to the mob who think democracy shouldn't apply to things that are going their way.
Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
I wonder if we would have heard from him if the vote had gone the other way?Expect to see his face on the front pages of the gutter press with some threatening language shortly.
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