The Irish border
Discussion
desolate said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Maybe
It may show how desperate Ireland are to get this sorted though. I fear they know deep down that there isn't a solution.
I really liked the idea of keeping the North either in the EU or with a commitment to regulatory equivalence or some such.It may show how desperate Ireland are to get this sorted though. I fear they know deep down that there isn't a solution.
I think that would have been a massive boost to their economy whilst allowing a more clean cut brexit elsewhere.
I am sure there are plenty of reasons for it not to work but thought it was worthy of exploration.
The DUP absolutely won't have it, and May absolutely needs the DUP.
What a cock-up that election really was.
SpeckledJim said:
I think the main reason for it can be traced back to May's doomed election.
The DUP absolutely won't have it, and May absolutely needs the DUP.
What a cock-up that election really was.
Truly the worst campaign I can ever recall.The DUP absolutely won't have it, and May absolutely needs the DUP.
What a cock-up that election really was.
Kinnock at Sheffield was bad but that was a one off event - the tories were that bad every day for weeks.
Dr Jekyll said:
slow_poke said:
Nicely put from a Little Englander perspective.
Ireland's fighting its own corner, and so far is doing a good job of it. Ireland didn't ask for Brexit, wanted no part of it and is being slated for not rolling over like the whipped dog certain elements seemingly expect it to do they can Brexit. UK demands it's sovernity but expects Ireland to surrender it's?
How exactly are we expecting Ireland to surrender it's sovereignty?Ireland's fighting its own corner, and so far is doing a good job of it. Ireland didn't ask for Brexit, wanted no part of it and is being slated for not rolling over like the whipped dog certain elements seemingly expect it to do they can Brexit. UK demands it's sovernity but expects Ireland to surrender it's?
Ayahuasca said:
Is the ROI leader deluded / stupid or rattled to threaten to ban UK aircraft from ROI skies?
I think it is comments like that that show the antagonistic approach by the Irish to this process. They seem to be getting frustrated that their plan to effectively slice NI off from the rest of the UK hasn't been agreed. The Good Friday agreement is used to justify all of this, but doesn't state that NI and Ireland need to have exactly the same regulations, because of course they don't at present in many areas.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Did you read your link?
Passports needed and checks made at the border.
How is that remotely similar to Ireland/NI?
It is a non-EU country with a land border with "special" arrangements with the EU. Free movement of people (no Visa required) and only basic checks. So a good place to start from rather than having to negotiate all of the processes at once.Passports needed and checks made at the border.
How is that remotely similar to Ireland/NI?
Jinx said:
It is a non-EU country with a land border with "special" arrangements with the EU. Free movement of people (no Visa required) and only basic checks. So a good place to start from rather than having to negotiate all of the processes at once.
Given May demands no border infrastructure where do you propose these checks take place?PurpleMoonlight said:
So your Andorra model doesn't work, and never did.
It was the starting point and proved the EU does special arrangements with non-EU countries. The NI situation is a unique situation and as such to expect an off the shelf solution is nonsensical. A "soft" border at the ports and access points on the Republic side (well at all major Irish ports) where simple checks on final destination of goods are made complete with the pre-existing passport checks would cover the issue without any additional infrastructure between NI and Ireland.Ireland is an Island and as such already has the infrastructure where needed. Simple declarations either in paper form or electronically to denote final destination of goods (either EU or NI/UK) at these egress points would make the need for a hard border non-existent.
Jinx said:
It was the starting point and proved the EU does special arrangements with non-EU countries. The NI situation is a unique situation and as such to expect an off the shelf solution is nonsensical. A "soft" border at the ports and access points on the Republic side (well at all major Irish ports) where simple checks on final destination of goods are made complete with the pre-existing passport checks would cover the issue without any additional infrastructure between NI and Ireland.
Ireland is an Island and as such already has the infrastructure where needed. Simple declarations either in paper form or electronically to denote final destination of goods (either EU or NI/UK) at these egress points would make the need for a hard border non-existent.
So you want Ireland to do your border checks for you?Ireland is an Island and as such already has the infrastructure where needed. Simple declarations either in paper form or electronically to denote final destination of goods (either EU or NI/UK) at these egress points would make the need for a hard border non-existent.
Way to take back control.
s2art said:
slow_poke said:
So you want Ireland to do your border checks for you?
Way to take back control.
They do now, and have done for a long time. Ever since the CTA was agreed, well before the EEC or EU existed.Way to take back control.
The bail out is being repaid, as it is in other EU countries. The UK has been bailed out before, The 1976 IMF Crisis was a financial crisis in the United Kingdom in 1976 which forced James Callaghan's Labour Party government to borrow $3.9 billion from the International Monetary Fund the largest loan ever to have been requested from the IMF at that time.
Regarding Airspace, it's not only Irish Airspace, its all of the rest of Europe you will be banned from.
The UK needs to wake up and realise that a hard Brexit will make you all much less well off, and of course it won't do us any good either.
Regarding Airspace, it's not only Irish Airspace, its all of the rest of Europe you will be banned from.
The UK needs to wake up and realise that a hard Brexit will make you all much less well off, and of course it won't do us any good either.
majordad said:
The bail out is being repaid, as it is in other EU countries. The UK has been bailed out before, The 1976 IMF Crisis was a financial crisis in the United Kingdom in 1976 which forced James Callaghan's Labour Party government to borrow $3.9 billion from the International Monetary Fund the largest loan ever to have been requested from the IMF at that time.
Regarding Airspace, it's not only Irish Airspace, its all of the rest of Europe you will be banned from.
The UK needs to wake up and realise that a hard Brexit will make you all much less well off, and of course it won't do us any good either.
It will be interesting to see how Lufthansa and KLM will get to New York then...or Aer Lingus to Brussels and Frankfurt..Regarding Airspace, it's not only Irish Airspace, its all of the rest of Europe you will be banned from.
The UK needs to wake up and realise that a hard Brexit will make you all much less well off, and of course it won't do us any good either.
Wobbegong said:
Ayahuasca said:
Is the ROI leader deluded / stupid or rattled to threaten to ban UK aircraft from ROI skies?
If the uk airlines weren’t allowed to overfly EU countries it would be much much worse for the uk than the EU, it’s fairly easy to fly around the uk to The Atlantic or Caribbean etc but the UK would be cut off with massive detours to get anywhere. If there isn’t an agreement most UK airlines will likely be forced to relocate their registration to the EU.
Not that any of this is going to happen anyway.
The CAA will regain control and passengers won’t get their flight delay compo and aircrews will likely work to more restrictive UK regulations.
El stovey said:
Wobbegong said:
Ayahuasca said:
Is the ROI leader deluded / stupid or rattled to threaten to ban UK aircraft from ROI skies?
If the uk airlines weren’t allowed to overfly EU countries it would be much much worse for the uk than the EU, it’s fairly easy to fly around the uk to The Atlantic or Caribbean etc but the UK would be cut off with massive detours to get anywhere. If there isn’t an agreement most UK airlines will likely be forced to relocate their registration to the EU.
Not that any of this is going to happen anyway.
The CAA will regain control and passengers won’t get their flight delay compo and aircrews will likely work to more restrictive UK regulations.
It was a welcome diversion whilst the plane sat on the runway after missing it's slot, and having to wait for another flight plan,
El stovey said:
Wobbegong said:
Ayahuasca said:
Is the ROI leader deluded / stupid or rattled to threaten to ban UK aircraft from ROI skies?
If the uk airlines weren’t allowed to overfly EU countries it would be much much worse for the uk than the EU, it’s fairly easy to fly around the uk to The Atlantic or Caribbean etc but the UK would be cut off with massive detours to get anywhere. If there isn’t an agreement most UK airlines will likely be forced to relocate their registration to the EU.
Not that any of this is going to happen anyway.
The CAA will regain control and passengers won’t get their flight delay compo and aircrews will likely work to more restrictive UK regulations.
Wobbegong said:
Would be even worse for Ireland.
Irish free state keep forgetting how much food they sell into the U.K. and how we gave them massive loans to bridge the financial crisis over and above what the EU did. A weird way to treat your friends. Oh well plenty of other places we can buy produce from if we wanted to and turn off the Black gold too. So so easy - especially as we sell hardly anything to them (buyer power)
don'tbesilly said:
Easyjet have already done so, I spoke to the pilot on a flight back from Naples only last week.
It was a welcome diversion whilst the plane sat on the runway after missing it's slot, and having to wait for another flight plan,
I hope you told the pilot that EasyJet fell for project fear.It was a welcome diversion whilst the plane sat on the runway after missing it's slot, and having to wait for another flight plan,
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