The Irish border

[don'tbesilly]

Ghibli said:

don'tbesilly said:

Easyjet have already done so, I spoke to the pilot on a flight back from Naples only last week.
It was a welcome diversion whilst the plane sat on the runway after missing it's slot, and having to wait for another flight plan,

I hope you told the pilot that EasyJet fell for project fear.

You genuinely think that, bless

[anonymous-user]

Wobbegong said:

Would be even worse for Ireland.

Not for flights. Ireland would be much better off than the UK if the unlikely event occurred where UK flights couldn’t fly over EU countries and vice versa.

The map doesn’t reflect the situation at all.

[psi310398]

El stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

Would be even worse for Ireland.

Not for flights. Ireland would be much better off than the UK if the unlikely event occurred where UK flights couldn’t fly over EU countries and vice versa.

The map doesn’t reflect the situation at all.

It reflects one or two fairly basic issues for a bloody-minded EU: if British Air Traffic Control did not cover the North Atlantic for EU aircraft, who would/could? What air/sea rescue capability does Ireland or any other EU country have that extends out more than about fifty miles into the Central North Atlantic?

[anonymous-user]

psi310398 said:

El stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

Would be even worse for Ireland.

Not for flights. Ireland would be much better off than the UK if the unlikely event occurred where UK flights couldn’t fly over EU countries and vice versa.

The map doesn’t reflect the situation at all.

It reflects one or two fairly basic issues for a bloody-minded EU: if British Air Traffic Control did not cover the North Atlantic for EU aircraft, who would/could? What air/sea rescue capability does Ireland or any other EU country have that extends out more than about fifty miles into the Central North Atlantic?

Although it’s an interesting question, It’s all a mute point as any aviation regulatory issues are easily sortable however the brexit goes.

It’s just loads of admin and paperwork.

[psi310398]

El stovey said:

psi310398 said:

El stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

Would be even worse for Ireland.

Not for flights. Ireland would be much better off than the UK if the unlikely event occurred where UK flights couldn’t fly over EU countries and vice versa.

The map doesn’t reflect the situation at all.

It reflects one or two fairly basic issues for a bloody-minded EU: if British Air Traffic Control did not cover the North Atlantic for EU aircraft, who would/could? What air/sea rescue capability does Ireland or any other EU country have that extends out more than about fifty miles into the Central North Atlantic?

Although it’s an interesting question, It’s all a mute point as any aviation regulatory issues are easily sortable however the brexit goes.

It’s just loads of admin and paperwork.

As a matter of interest, could Parliament vest the Military Aviation Authority with temporary regulatory powers to cover UK civilian air traffic, possibly by "commandeering" such air traffic for a limited period of time? After all, they have competence over passenger jets flying out of Brize Norton etc and other civilian-type aircraft e.g. trainers and Royal Flight operated by the Forces, so presumably they have the internationally recognised capabilities which the CAA no longer has. They also regulate air traffic control and maintenance etc. Just a thought...

[Wobbegong]

El stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

Would be even worse for Ireland.

Not for flights. Ireland would be much better off than the UK if the unlikely event occurred where UK flights couldn’t fly over EU countries and vice versa.

The map doesn’t reflect the situation at all.

I'm not looking at the impact on the UK. More at the impact on Ireland. However I've just read that it seems he was misquoted by the UK media and was talking about countries within the EU and UK airspace rather than Ireland blocking UK flights.

Regarding that, the EU is not a state, so I'd have thought the Chicago convention would prevent the EU trying to block UK registered aircraft overflying? Although it hasn't stopped the UAE and Saudi Arabia cutting off Qatar I guess!

[slow_poke]

Wobbegong said:

El stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

Would be even worse for Ireland.

Not for flights. Ireland would be much better off than the UK if the unlikely event occurre where UK flights couldn’t fly over EU countries and vice versa.

The map doesn’t reflect the situation at all.

I'm not looking at the impact on the UK. More at the impact on Ireland. However I've just read that it seems he was misquoted by the UK media and was talking about countries within the EU and UK airspace rather than Ireland blocking UK flights.

Regarding that, the EU is not a state, so I'd have thought the Chicago convention would prevent the EU trying to block UK registered aircraft overflying? Although it hasn't stopped the UAE and Saudi Arabia cutting off Qatar I guess!

For a bit of better perspective than gutter press reporting:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/hysteria-...

[Mrr T]

slow_poke said:

Wobbegong said:

El stovey said:

Wobbegong said:

Would be even worse for Ireland.

Not for flights. Ireland would be much better off than the UK if the unlikely event occurre where UK flights couldn’t fly over EU countries and vice versa.

The map doesn’t reflect the situation at all.

I'm not looking at the impact on the UK. More at the impact on Ireland. However I've just read that it seems he was misquoted by the UK media and was talking about countries within the EU and UK airspace rather than Ireland blocking UK flights.

Regarding that, the EU is not a state, so I'd have thought the Chicago convention would prevent the EU trying to block UK registered aircraft overflying? Although it hasn't stopped the UAE and Saudi Arabia cutting off Qatar I guess!

For a bit of better perspective than gutter press reporting:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/hysteria-...

Please do not confuse team leave with details. They know the Wright brothers did not need any aerospace regulations before they flew.

[Mrr T]

majordad said:

Regarding Airspace, it's not only Irish Airspace, its all of the rest of Europe you will be banned from.

Access to airspace is not the problem that's covered by international treaty. It's landing which is banned. I do not know about parachuting. So maybe that's a brexit fallback for team leave. UK airline drop passengers by parachute.

[gothatway]

Mrr T said:

Access to airspace is not the problem that's covered by international treaty. It's landing which is banned.

So we'll be able to fly from the UK to the USA for example, but Air France, KLM, Lufthansa, and all the other European carriers won't be able to fly into Heathrow to make the connections. I'm sure they won't mind - they'll have plenty of long haul aircraft, spare slots and terminal capacity available if they're not flying into the UK. Won't they ?

[Mrr T]

gothatway said:

So we'll be able to fly from the UK to the USA for example, but Air France, KLM, Lufthansa, and all the other European carriers won't be able to fly into Heathrow to make the connections. I'm sure they won't mind - they'll have plenty of long haul aircraft, spare slots and terminal capacity available if they're not flying into the UK. Won't they ?

Only if the CAA is able to act as a regulatory body and we sign an open sky type agreement with the US. When we leave EASA we lose the current US open sky agreement.

[anonymous-user]

If the aircraft re-register in the EU presumably the problem goes away?

[Vanden Saab]

desolate said:

If the aircraft re-register in the EU presumably the problem goes away?

Not really as if the EU refuse to allow Uk aircraft to land in the EU the favour will be returned and no EU registered aircraft will be allowed to land in the UK....

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

Not really as if the EU refuse to allow Uk aircraft to land in the EU the favour will be returned and no EU registered aircraft will be allowed to land in the UK....

What's the financial effect of a company such as easyJet re-registering aircraft in the EU?

[BlackLabel]

Mrr T said:

majordad said:

Regarding Airspace, it's not only Irish Airspace, its all of the rest of Europe you will be banned from.

Access to airspace is not the problem that's covered by international treaty. It's landing which is banned. I do not know about parachuting. So maybe that's a brexit fallback for team leave. UK airline drop passengers by parachute.

Or zip-line.

[Vanden Saab]

desolate said:

Vanden Saab said:

Not really as if the EU refuse to allow Uk aircraft to land in the EU the favour will be returned and no EU registered aircraft will be allowed to land in the UK....

What's the financial effect of a company such as easyJet re-registering aircraft in the EU?

That really depends on how many of the 17 million other Brexit voters also stop using Easyjet in protest....

[loafer123]

Mrr T said:

Only if the CAA is able to act as a regulatory body and we sign an open sky type agreement with the US. When we leave EASA we lose the current US open sky agreement.

The new agreement between the US and U.K. was allegedly agreed in late May.

Doesn’t sort out the EU, obviously, but worth mentioning.

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

That really depends on how many of the 17 million other Brexit voters also stop using Easyjet in protest....

Ok to rephrase the question

What happens if the airlines just re-register in the EU?

[Vanden Saab]

desolate said:

Ok to rephrase the question

What happens if the airlines just re-register in the EU?

Then I assume they can land in the EU but not the UK …. not sure how that helps them...

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

Then I assume they can land in the EU but not the UK …. not sure how that helps them...

They will be legal to fly for a start.

If we fall out of the current regulatory regime without creating our own they won't be able to fly.
Easy jet has already made the decision.

Do we have the capability to create the structure in the time remaining?