Moped-riding thieves murder man for his Rolex watch.

[Digga]

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

I agree, 35 years inside most definitely is punishment. Certainly for any normal person.

My struggle with prison is in cases where a.) the crime is utterly, thoughtlessly and heartlessly brutal and ends in the taking of an entirely innocent life(s) and b.) where the evidence is so clear that no possible appeal could overturn it, why should society go to the cost of keeping a person for that long?

For example, CCTV shows a fatal attack and victim and attacker are clearly visible. What possible recourse to appeal could there be?

I am a great believer in redemption and rehabilitation, but not for certain crimes. I do think there are things that no sane, rational and civilised person should ever do. By extension, committing such acts puts an individual beyond potential redemption or rehabilitation. Also, looking at things from the victim's perspective - how many of them would want that sort of maximum sentence?

[dandarez]

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

I just read that just a tad too quick and thought wtf?

' ...bought his own 'i'pad'

[dandarez]

Loyly said:

Joey Deacon said:

But according to the watch sub forum on here, a Rolex is just a knocking about watch why would anybody want to steal it?

scherzkeks said:

jshell said:

Yipper said:

Rolex watches are bland and dull and few people bat an eyelid at them. A relative has one that he has worn every day for ~30 years, and only ~2 people have ever asked to see it closer in all that time.

One of the many reasons why I buy and wear them.

The others include: reliability, robustness (the clasps are now the best and the bezel is ceramic), timekeeping, classic designs, look better well worn and beaten up, and value retention.

Right.

One of the most recognized luxury items in the world.

"I buy them to fly under the radar and because I can bang them up without worry."

Powerfully built company director, and so on ...

The watch forum has long been and gathering hub for PH's biggest tts, it was a daily feature in the cringe thread.

It'll be fine now. No need to cringe anymore. I might even pay a visit after my ratchet slipped on a tight gearbox nut at the weekend and damaged my good ol' Smith's Astral.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/style/the-stra...

[hyphen]

Rolex features prominently in a song on the new Drake album, which will be on the playlist of every moped thief in London.

Expect more to be nicked

[rodericb]

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

Naah, he won't. He'll be the victim. He'll be amongst people who do the same thing. He'll get put into a routine. The years will slip by.

[johnwilliams77]

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

Hopefully he also gets a regular dose of beatings and fails at conmitting suicide a few times for good measure

[hyphen]

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

Are you happy to personally pay the bill for keeping him in rather than sending back to Somalia?

[Tryke3]

hyphen said:

Are you happy to personally pay the bill for keeping him in rather than sending back to Somalia?

Surely you cant be so stupid and you can see the other side ?

[hyphen]

Tryke3 said:

Surely you cant be so stupid and you can see the other side ?

Which, in your mind, is? You do know we have deals with countries where we send their nationals back to serve time in their home country prisons? Much cheaper for the tax payer, and quality of jail is probably a bit worse.

And are you offering to go halves with him on the bill

Edited by hyphen on Sunday 22 July 12:00

[Ayahuasca]

Must admit (hangs head) to wearing a Rolex (40mm Sea Dweller for the watcheristas amongst us), and have thought about what I would do if anyone tried to relieve me of it. Of course until actually in that situation you do not know how you would react, but I don't think I would surrender it easily.

I have actually taken it off and slipped it into my pocket a few times when I realised I was being stupid to have a mugger magnet in my wrist, and in Latin America where I am most of the time it is replaced by a Casio GShock (which keeps better time).

[Exoticaholic]

The creature that was sentenced to 35 years for murder, would have had an additional 18 years for robbery, had the sentences not been concurrent.

A pity.

[CoolHands]

I’m in favour if keeping him locked up (yes, forever) until he grasses and gives all details about his accomplice(s) that are admissible in court. What they planned, what they did, where they went, who they fenced the watch too.

[Willy Nilly]

hyphen said:

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

Are you happy to personally pay the bill for keeping him in rather than sending back to Somalia?

Yes.

[Willy Nilly]

Willy Nilly said:

hyphen said:

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

Are you happy to personally pay the bill for keeping him in rather than sending back to Somalia?

Yes.

To add:

I only skim read the article, so assume he was a Somali national, which is why people want him sent there? He can do his time here, maybe deport him when his parole comes up, but he got life anyway.

Generally, people don't commit crimes because they have too much to lose. The less someone has to lose the more likely they will commit a crime. I'm not sure harsh sentences stop people becoming a criminal either. It would be better for everyone that should a person commit a crime that they left the criminal justice system as a functioning member of society and went on to behave and pay some tax, rather than us chucking them in jail and as some seem to advocate he, beat the snot out of them.

I don't pretend to know what the answer is to people like this to stop them offending and reoffending on realise, but I don't want them abused in my name. Beating them up in jail isn't going to make them have a lightbulb moment where one day they sit there and think to themselves "how the hell did I end up in this place?"

[gothatway]

I guess these moped crimes always involve rider and pillion ?
If so, how many law-abiding people would be significantly inconvenienced by banning pillions on mopeds ? Given the public transport network in London, I would have thought it would be very few, and it would afford the police a better opportunity to stop the offenders before they attacked.

[Willy Nilly]

gothatway said:

I guess these moped crimes always involve rider and pillion ?
If so, how many law-abiding people would be significantly inconvenienced by banning pillions on mopeds ? Given the public transport network in London, I would have thought it would be very few, and it would afford the police a better opportunity to stop the offenders before they attacked.

They're on nicked bikes with no number plates and out committing crime, do you think that banning them carrying a pillion will put them off?

[gothatway]

Willy Nilly said:

They're on nicked bikes with no number plates and out committing crime, do you think that banning them carrying a pillion will put them off?

You miss my point entirely. Anyone carrying a pillion would be causing an offence and could be stopped.

[hyphen]

Willy Nilly said:

hyphen said:

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

Are you happy to personally pay the bill for keeping him in rather than sending back to Somalia?

Yes.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Gecko1978]

Seventy said:

Joey Deacon said:

100% agree with you, I was just (obviously quite badly) trying to point out how messed up some of the opinions on the watch forum are.

Yipper AND Scherzkeks in the same post!!
Comedy gold!

Eta I hope that's 35 with no parole.

where a sentence is life it does actually mean life upto a point you can request parole. Thus 12 to life is 12 years then apply for parole so in this case 35 years will mean just that

[Gecko1978]

rodericb said:

Willy Nilly said:

He'll be 60 before he's eligible for parole. I don't want to see him beaten up in jail or sent to Somalia, he can just sit in his cell and think. In the 35 years while he waits for is parole to come up, had he been a normal person he may well have met the love of his life, bought his own pad, got married, had kids, become a grandparent. He'll do none of that. He'll just sit there, maybe giving it the bigun' to his prison mates, but he won't have Family Christmas's or birthday, no holidays no nights out in the pub with his mates. He'll just be sitting there while everyone else gets on with their lives.

Naah, he won't. He'll be the victim. He'll be amongst people who do the same thing. He'll get put into a routine. The years will slip by.

I am 40 and while the time has flown in that time I have gone to university built a career got married had kids bought a home travelled a fair bit etc....I have not spent my days in the same room with same people eating low quality food an just getting old with no one coming to visit me....5 years maybe even 10 but sooner or later he will break and realise what a he is an still have maybe 20 years plus left to do.

Then he gets out to what a world he does not recognoise with no skills of any use...his life is going to be hell an rightly so