Moped-riding thieves murder man for his Rolex watch.

[skyrover]

saaby93 said:

DurianIceCream said:

In 2014 a known drug dealer, riding a stolen moped, was being followed by the police. Not chased, just followed. He crashed his moped and died.

The police involved were under investigation for 3 years afterwards. They faced criminal prosecution or an end to their career and of course the stress of years of investigation.

If you were a copper, would you be making much of an effort to catch moped criminals if that is what awaits you?

what's the alternative?

If they run.... give chase.

If they crash and die... footage should be fast tracked through a brief investigation to determine whether officers behaved correctly. If so.. move on.

It needs nothing more than that and officers should have a form of diplomatic immunity for actions outside of their control.

[dazwalsh]

That is appalling, and it infuriates me how these bds can just be handed a free pass to do what they want without fear of being chased. I couldn't give a hoot if every single one of them fell of their moped trying to escape. Scumbags

The question is when will some fingers be pulled out of arses and some action taken?

[nyxster]

danspec said:

I know this is a stupid questions that probably doesn’t have an answers

Why are they doing this on mopeds? If you’re stealing a bike why not something fast, is it because they’re easier to ride?

Is there a reason why is it all of a sudden it’s gone mental or is it all just a sign of the times?

lots of people got mopeds in london, they have no security, twist and go requires no real skill to ride, their favourite tmax can ride 2up with plenty of space for angle grinders, hammer and acid, They're stealing big bikes like ducati's etc but the moped is the transport of choice for 'apple picking' muggings.

[Cfnteabag]

The Spruce goose said:

The 'drug dealer' was selling cannabis,had about 200 quids worth so not exactly Pablo Escobar, and had been stopped over 80 times, so sounds like the police can some sort of grudge against him, a good suggestion would be legilise the drug, and from the tax revenue use it to spend police resources on people who actually kill people.

Is that for real? Maybe he was stopped 80 times because he was likely to be carrying drugs, hanging around with those who carry drugs or weapons or riding a stolen moped with no license, insurance etc? If you don't want to be stopped by the police don't be involved in law breaking? Or is that too simple?

[citizensm1th]

It is about time the police were told they will not be prosecuted if anything happens while chasing a helmet less rider

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

saaby93 said:

The Spruce goose said:

Here's a nice statistic on moped crime

''From June 2016 to 2017, London suffered 16,158 crimes involving powered-two-wheel vehicles, up from 5,145 in 2016.''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-418222...

So an increase of 3 times in a year yet the government is powerless to act....

save for banning mopeds or p/ex involving Rolex what can the gubinment do
can you imagine arming both sides and the fall out in pedestrians

Not culling 19,000 police officers would be a start.

[Biker 1]

danspec said:

I know this is a stupid questions that probably doesn’t have an answers

Why are they doing this on mopeds? If you’re stealing a bike why not something fast, is it because they’re easier to ride?

Is there a reason why is it all of a sudden it’s gone mental or is it all just a sign of the times?

Tmax, weapon of choice, has no gears or clutch. The scum that carry out this st are thick enough not to be able to gain lawful employment, so are probably too stupid to figure out how to ride an actual motorcycle. Also, very easy to mount/dismount a scooter compared to a bike.
Tmax are pretty quick too: https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/products/scooters/s...
The media bleat on about 'mopeds' - this isn't true, as a moped is 49cc & restricted to 28mph. A bit crap for a smash & grab raid.

[RDMcG]

on the fairly rare occasions I go to London I just don't wear a watch at all now. Nothing in the least noticeable. Bit of cash and minimal cards and hotel card. Its a bit Clockwork Orange now.

[anonymous-user]

The Spruce goose said:

saaby93 said:

what's the alternative?

The 'drug dealer' was selling cannabis,had about 200 quids worth so not exactly Pablo Escobar, and had been stopped over 80 times, so sounds like the police can some sort of grudge against him, a good suggestion would be legilise the drug, and from the tax revenue use it to spend police resources on people who actually kill people.

There's no evidence the police officers who followed Hicks knew who he was prior to trying to stop him.

I agree with you about legalising cannabis, but that's not relevant to the fact that he failed to stop for the police who were just trying to do their job and what the public expect, and that the outcome (primarily out the hands of the police) meant they didn't know for years whether they'd be prosecuted.

Which police officer wants to take that gamble for doing their job?

He failed to stop. He crashed. It was on him. Not the people who have stepped-up to protect the public.

[DurianIceCream]

nyxster said:

TVR Moneypit said:

I wonder why, for the time being at least, this sort of crime seems pretty isolated to London? I've certainly not heard of this sort if thing happening around my neck of the woods.

The Met had a no pursuit policy against scooterists after the drug dealing scrote Hicks fell off and was killed during a pursuit. Assume because other forces are actually arresting scumbags rather than letting them have at it unopposed in GTA: London 'cheat mode=no wanted level.'

It happens elsewhere, it just happens more in London. Perhaps because there are more mopeds to steal and more criminals to ride them. And because criminals are fully aware than the chance of being caught is not far of zero.

I wouldn't be going out of my way to arrest anybody who really wants to get away if I was a copper. Why should they? If they don't make an effort, nobody will say anything. If they do and it goes even slightly wrong then the police can look forward to several years of investigation by the IPCC, criminal prosecution or allegations gross misconduct.

Crimes involving the use of mopeds/scooters don't go up by a factor of 16 in only a decade just for no reason.

[yellowjack]

danspec said:

I know this is a stupid questions that probably doesn’t have an answers

Why are they doing this on mopeds? If you’re stealing a bike why not something fast, is it because they’re easier to ride?

Is there a reason why is it all of a sudden it’s gone mental or is it all just a sign of the times?

Easy to steal. Easy to ride. Dead easy to dump when it gets too 'hot'. Easy enough to steal another.

It's "gone mental" because the scrotes have worked out an efficient method of parting honest folk from their hard-earned goods, and the Police seem reluctant to take action with regard to pursuit. Helmets hide identities, so no pursuit often means "got clean away with it". In all seriousness, I doubt the Police try particularly hard to push these cases along unless there is a compelling reason such as injury or death. Straight "apple picking" robberies have almost no chance of getting solved unless their perpetrators are linked to more serious stuff.

My opinion, FWIW, is that these apes are causing people to feel terrified. Therefore they are terrorists. It wouldn't take too many of them to be treated like terrorists (pursued by armed police on motorbikes, etc) for the number of offences to drop off. They are armed, after all, and have shown that they have no issue with using violence to get their way. Shoot a couple of them, and see how they "like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring"...

[saaby93]

Biker 1 said:

Tmax, weapon of choice, has no gears or clutch. The scum that carry out this st are thick enough not to be able to gain lawful employment, so are probably too stupid to figure out how to ride an actual motorcycle. Also, very easy to mount/dismount a scooter compared to a bike.
Tmax are pretty quick too: https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/products/scooters/s...
The media bleat on about 'mopeds' - this isn't true, as a moped is 49cc & restricted to 28mph. A bit crap for a smash & grab raid.

Those look like the ones seen in cctv at various times

[danspec]

Cheers for the reply’s.

[wc98]

yellowjack said:

Easy to steal. Easy to ride. Dead easy to dump when it gets too 'hot'. Easy enough to steal another.

It's "gone mental" because the scrotes have worked out an efficient method of parting honest folk from their hard-earned goods, and the Police seem reluctant to take action with regard to pursuit. Helmets hide identities, so no pursuit often means "got clean away with it". In all seriousness, I doubt the Police try particularly hard to push these cases along unless there is a compelling reason such as injury or death. Straight "apple picking" robberies have almost no chance of getting solved unless their perpetrators are linked to more serious stuff.

My opinion, FWIW, is that these apes are causing people to feel terrified. Therefore they are terrorists. It wouldn't take too many of them to be treated like terrorists (pursued by armed police on motorbikes, etc) for the number of offences to drop off. They are armed, after all, and have shown that they have no issue with using violence to get their way. Shoot a couple of them, and see how they "like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring"...

i think you should be the new london crime commissioner. what a ridiculous waste of life this was,for a fking watch. what kind of person places the value of a watch over that of someones life , don't answer,i already know.

until the decent people of london start kicking up a serious fuss about the lack of action on this type of crime nothing will happen. maybe some crowd funding for a small team of ex special forces to walk around with flashy watches on show and people turning a blind eye to the result might make the scum rethink.

[Tom Logan]

danspec said:

I know this is a stupid questions that probably doesn’t have an answers

Why are they doing this on mopeds? If you’re stealing a bike why not something fast, is it because they’re easier to ride?

Is there a reason why is it all of a sudden it’s gone mental or is it all just a sign of the times?

Twist & go, easy to ride one handed (no clutch) not mopeds but scooters, some of them can pick their heels up through traffic.

Already answered I see.

Edited by Tom Logan on Sunday 3rd December 12:09

[DurianIceCream]

Moped thugs are not afraid of single unarmed police officers:

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-general-n...

[Guybrush]

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:

saaby93 said:

The Spruce goose said:

Here's a nice statistic on moped crime

''From June 2016 to 2017, London suffered 16,158 crimes involving powered-two-wheel vehicles, up from 5,145 in 2016.''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-418222...

So an increase of 3 times in a year yet the government is powerless to act....

save for banning mopeds or p/ex involving Rolex what can the gubinment do
can you imagine arming both sides and the fall out in pedestrians

Not culling 19,000 police officers would be a start.

Numbers mean nothing if they're afraid to chase them. Anyway, if the lowlifes were caught, the 'punishment' is unlikely to be a deterrent to others.

[Red 4]

The little cherubs around here prefer (unlicenced, unregistered) quads and (unlicenced, unregistered) *off- road bikes.

You won't see many of them on a 'ped.

They don't wheelie very well.

• off road bike rider must never wear a helmet or any type of protective clothing, must always wear a balaclava/ face mask/ scarf pulled up to eye level and bonus points are awarded for at least 1 pillion passenger.

Considering yourself to be untouchable/ invincible is also a must.

[jdw100]

Where I live a lot of road traffic is mopeds.i own a 105cc Honda Scoopy myself...

Police conduct regular traffic stops, usually set up just after a bend so you can’t see them.

They’ll stop you -especially if not wearing a helmet; that’s an instant fine - then ask to see ownership papers.

No paper (it’s a about 1/3 the size of A4 in a waterproof wrapper) then they hang on to the bike until you come back with the papers. I’m sure in the UK there are databases that could be accessed instead and people arrested instantly.

We did have a spate of moped crime and someone (think it was an army cadet) got stabbed to death. Following week the police had a special squad set up with faster bikes and armed with tasers (police are not routinely armed here).

Made a big announcement on tv and in papers, with the police chief surrounded by this tough looking new squad, that if you want to try moped related crime then we are coming for you.

This is a developing country - so less resources - but still managed to act in about a week to a rise in moped crime.

[Cobnapint]

DurianIceCream said:

It happens elsewhere, it just happens more in London. Perhaps because there are more mopeds to steal and more criminals to ride them. And because criminals are fully aware than the chance of being caught is not far of zero.

I wouldn't be going out of my way to arrest anybody who really wants to get away if I was a copper. Why should they? If they don't make an effort, nobody will say anything. If they do and it goes even slightly wrong then the police can look forward to several years of investigation by the IPCC, criminal prosecution or allegations gross misconduct.

Crimes involving the use of mopeds/scooters don't go up by a factor of 16 in only a decade just for no reason.

Too true. This crazy PC world has meant the Police have reached the point where they could be suspended for the slightest reason. The deliberate reduction in stop and search a few years ago to keep a certain community happy was another big mistake. Along with the reduction in front line police numbers that David Cameron repeatedly said wasn't going to happen.

Add to that the reluctance of judges to give custodial sentences due to lack of prison places.

It's virtually open season for the criminals now. It's a joke.