Moped-riding thieves murder man for his Rolex watch.

[DurianIceCream]

jdw100 said:

This is a developing country - so less resources - but still managed to act in about a week to a rise in moped crime.

The police where you are probably aren't worried about going to jail if the criminals they are arresting hurt themselves.

[jdw100]

DurianIceCream said:

jdw100 said:

This is a developing country - so less resources - but still managed to act in about a week to a rise in moped crime.

The police where you are probably aren't worried about going to jail if the criminals they are arresting hurt themselves.

They will be less worried about it than in U.K.

Not unknown for the public to give scooter based thieves a good kicking either. However people have gone to prison when they beat up the wrong person.

My point really though was that a rise in crime was seen and the local government and police acted swiftly. It might be the wrong reaction to take but it was swift and gave reassurance.

I’ve been to the jazz club that guy went to and I was probably wearing a Rolex when I went....

[JagLover]

Cobnapint said:

Too true. This crazy PC world has meant the Police have reached the point where they could be suspended for the slightest reason. The deliberate reduction in stop and search a few years ago to keep a certain community happy was another big mistake. Along with the reduction in front line police numbers that David Cameron repeatedly said wasn't going to happen.

Add to that the reluctance of judges to give custodial sentences due to lack of prison places.

It's virtually open season for the criminals now. It's a joke.

The Tories have the reputation as the "party of law and order". Aside from Michael Howards tenure at the Home Office this is mostly unearned, for the last few decades at any rate.

There have been less resources allocated to both police and prisons and more restrictions put in the way of the Police doing their jobs.

[Too Drunk to Funk]

danspec said:

I know this is a stupid questions that probably doesn’t have an answers

Why are they doing this on mopeds? If you’re stealing a bike why not something fast, is it because they’re easier to ride?

Is there a reason why is it all of a sudden it’s gone mental or is it all just a sign of the times?

Certainly easier to ride around London than bigger, faster bikes. A crash helmet will make it almost impossible to identify da perps.

Shame bikes are so easy to steal.

Edited by Too Drunk to Funk on Monday 4th December 10:29

[ntiz]

wc98 said:

i think you should be the new london crime commissioner. what a ridiculous waste of life this was,for a fking watch. what kind of person places the value of a watch over that of someones life , don't answer,i already know.

until the decent people of london start kicking up a serious fuss about the lack of action on this type of crime nothing will happen. maybe some crowd funding for a small team of ex special forces to walk around with flashy watches on show and people turning a blind eye to the result might make the scum rethink.

I actually know a company that does something like this for the marine industry. They basically recruit usually ex SAS types triple there pay to protect ships that go past areas like Somalia. If they see trouble like pirates coming everyone except the security team hides in something called the crucible in the lower decks and basically the security team kill anyone that isn't them.

I have no idea where they stand in law on this but seems to be pretty widely accepted to shoot first if someone comes at your ship.

I'm sure they are always looking for more markets to invest in hahahaha

[928]

Why not change the law along the lines of if you fail to stop for police the non-stopper is responsible for all subsequent mayhem, with police able to use force to bring a chase to a swift end? It's not as if any change to police tactics would increase the risks non-stoppers take (look at any Jamie Theakston narrated police "drama").

Haven't a group just been released from years in an Indian jail for carrying weapons in Indian waters? Not quite a free for all if you happen to stray into someone's territorial waters/fail to sufficiently bribe

ntiz said:

I actually know a company that does something like this for the marine industry. They basically recruit usually ex SAS types triple there pay to protect ships that go past areas like Somalia. If they see trouble like pirates coming everyone except the security team hides in something called the crucible in the lower decks and basically the security team kill anyone that isn't them.

I have no idea where they stand in law on this but seems to be pretty widely accepted to shoot first if someone comes at your ship.

I'm sure they are always looking for more markets to invest in hahahaha

[TheGuru]

danspec said:

I know this is a stupid questions that probably doesn’t have an answers

Why are they doing this on mopeds? If you’re stealing a bike why not something fast, is it because they’re easier to ride?

Is there a reason why is it all of a sudden it’s gone mental or is it all just a sign of the times?

In addition to the above answers, I think in London speed is not really an advantage - a decent scooter would be more nimble and faster.

I witnessed a smash and grab by a couple of guys on a scooter, they mounted the pavement in broad daylight, passenger smashed the shop window with a crowbar and they loaded a pile of designer sunglasses into a bag, then rode off - about 10 seconds. Nobody tried to stop them, was Manor House in London.

Logistically that would have been a lot harder on a superbike.

[croyde]

I ride one of the weapons of choice. A twist and go 300cc Vespa which is a lot quicker in my hands in traffic then a lot of my previous motorbikes.

Sadly I'm returning to London and fully expect it to be nicked just like my previous bikes. Not if but when.

The crime involving 2 wheeled vehicles in London, whether being stolen or using them to steal, is completely out of control.

And it doesn't matter how many heavy chains and locks you wrap around them, they WILL go.

[BeefMaster9000]

Seems like some kind of behavior modification is required. Maybe a crowd funded guerilla response team, along the lines of this would do the trick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHlzfTnFIKg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1L9PN9pcGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN76TvJspY

[Jez m]

Another robbery this morning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5143593/Ho...

Was in this store last Saturday. They moved to this premises after the last one near Mayfair was also robbed.

[Mykap]

ntiz said:

I actually know a company that does something like this for the marine industry. They basically recruit usually ex SAS types triple there pay to protect ships that go past areas like Somalia. If they see trouble like pirates coming everyone except the security team hides in something called the crucible in the lower decks and basically the security team kill anyone that isn't them.

I have no idea where they stand in law on this but seems to be pretty widely accepted to shoot first if someone comes at your ship.

I'm sure they are always looking for more markets to invest in hahahaha

Wrong in pretty much every aspect of your description. I'm a marine superintendent and part of my duties concern hiring privately contracted armed security personnel (PCASP) for the protection of our tankers. Most are ex regulars and are not particularly well paid, the area of concern is known as the HRA which varies and you will find in google, the secure area of the vessels are known as citadels and are a last resort and strict rules of engagement are applied before any firing takes place - then its starts with warning shots which is usually sufficient to convey the message.

The original statement is almost as bad as film producers adding a sound track of ships whistles blowing every time a ship is on the bloody screen. Boils my piss and has nothing to do with the topic of moped attacks.

Edited by Mykap on Monday 4th December 14:20

[LocoCoco]

Man dies after being hit by Police on emergency call in London:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-422231...

I feel like this will set things back even though it should have nothing to do with letting the cops chase people on mopeds in London.

[Halmyre]

TheGuru said:

danspec said:

I know this is a stupid questions that probably doesn’t have an answers

Why are they doing this on mopeds? If you’re stealing a bike why not something fast, is it because they’re easier to ride?

Is there a reason why is it all of a sudden it’s gone mental or is it all just a sign of the times?

In addition to the above answers, I think in London speed is not really an advantage - a decent scooter would be more nimble and faster.

I witnessed a smash and grab by a couple of guys on a scooter, they mounted the pavement in broad daylight, passenger smashed the shop window with a crowbar and they loaded a pile of designer sunglasses into a bag, then rode off - about 10 seconds. Nobody tried to stop them, was Manor House in London.

Logistically that would have been a lot harder on a superbike.

I'm trying to think of ways to stop them that don't end up with a crowbar-shaped dent in one's skull. All for a broken window and a few pairs of overpriced sunglasses.

[Gary C]

DurianIceCream said:

jdw100 said:

This is a developing country - so less resources - but still managed to act in about a week to a rise in moped crime.

The police where you are probably aren't worried about going to jail if the criminals they are arresting hurt themselves.

Yeh, last time I got stopped for speeding in Indonesia, they were more interested in the bribe I had to pay.

Not a police force I would be holding up as a shining example.

[Zoon]

The Police and Crime Commissioner for our area has stated they will no longer be investigating low level drug dealing or shop lifting as they don't have enough resources.

What sort of message does that send? Become a shoplifter.

[Ari]

Zoon said:

The Police and Crime Commissioner for our area has stated they will no longer be investigating low level drug dealing or shop lifting as they don't have enough resources.

What sort of message does that send? Become a shoplifter.

I've heard something similar in my area a little while ago, I think it was in the local rag. It's an astounding position to take!

Basically you can wander into a shop, cast your eye around for something that takes your fancy, and as long as it's less than £100 (or whatever it's set at - maybe it's higher, I forget the exact amount), pick it up and wander out with complete impunity!

The police have literally said 'we will not investigate you, provided what you've stolen is worth less than £xx'.

[PRTVR]

Ari said:

Zoon said:

The Police and Crime Commissioner for our area has stated they will no longer be investigating low level drug dealing or shop lifting as they don't have enough resources.

What sort of message does that send? Become a shoplifter.

I've heard something similar in my area a little while ago, I think it was in the local rag. It's an astounding position to take!

Basically you can wander into a shop, cast your eye around for something that takes your fancy, and as long as it's less than £100 (or whatever it's set at - maybe it's higher, I forget the exact amount), pick it up and wander out with complete impunity!

The police have literally said 'we will not investigate you, provided what you've stolen is worth less than £xx'.

But get caught 1 mph over the speed limit in some areas and they will be coming for you.
They know who the real criminals are and they drive cars.

[CAPP0]

croyde said:

And it doesn't matter how many heavy chains and locks you wrap around them, they WILL go.

There is a thread on here somewhere in BB where a guy had a T-Max (as above, scrote weapon of choice) which had repeated theft attempts made on it, bits stolen off it, etc. He chained it to a lamp post with three massive chains, came out one morning and it was gone.

They cut the lamp post off......

All true, there are pictures on the thread.

[TheGuru]

Zoon said:

The Police and Crime Commissioner for our area has stated they will no longer be investigating low level drug dealing or shop lifting as they don't have enough resources.

What sort of message does that send? Become a shoplifter.

Well that's an interesting one - how much of this crime and wastage of police resource would disappear if drugs were decriminalized completely?

[Legacywr]

TheGuru said:

Well that's an interesting one - how much of this crime and wastage of police resource would disappear if drugs were decriminalized completely?

Are you suggesting this?