Chris Frome potentially in serious trouble
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My thoughts are that if a cycling team found that mixing Raspberry Jelly with Cornflakes was a performance enhancer. And it wasn't on the WADA banned list (I guess it isn't) they'd be force feeding the riders it every morning. My gut is that Skys Dr has ballsed up. As a product with a "tolerance" they would have been using it up to that limit and it's obviously gone wrong and hes taken too much.
He makes a good point though. If they were going to hide an active doping programme. They wouldn't have him got him in the red jersey so soon. Since he is always going to be tested after every stage.
Do you reckon it did it clean?
He makes a good point though. If they were going to hide an active doping programme. They wouldn't have him got him in the red jersey so soon. Since he is always going to be tested after every stage.
geeks said:
Don't forget Eddie Izzard's Stoned Olympics on there as well, athletes are tested to ensure they have taken enough drugs 
Remember when Izzard ran all those marathons back to back. And had never run that far even once prior to it all.Do you reckon it did it clean?
JPJPJP said:
Take the Tour de France for instance. It simply is not possible to produce that effort for that period day after day after day without assistance.
Probably why I prefer the one day classics. Digga said:
All of which chemically enhanced nonsense confirms why the only true cycling sport of heroes is downhill mountain biking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jilqCro2MVU
Not all doping affects muscles and respiratory systems. I wonder if drinking several tins of energy drink would increase reaction times to a superhuman level? Could be quite useful on a downhill run.Derek Smith said:
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'Look at us, we've got a big name in the cross-hairs. We're winning the war on drug abuse.' Fools some people, but the drugs are being taken.
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There is very little difference between cheating, and being more clever at this level. It's a very fine line indeed in elite sport, everybody knows that. But if your lengthy theory about widespread drug use being permitted and Frome is just being made a scapegoat is true, why not charge him with a genuine doping offence?'Look at us, we've got a big name in the cross-hairs. We're winning the war on drug abuse.' Fools some people, but the drugs are being taken.
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Charge him with the use of an illegal substance, abuse of tests, something more significant than 'he used his totally permitted inhaler a little too often'. I'm usually very sceptical about conspiracy theories, this is not an exception.
Lots of bad blood (excuse the pun) between them, and to a degree I understand fully.
Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
Sway said:
Lots of bad blood (excuse the pun) between them, and to a degree I understand fully.
Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
The only way Wiggins could have defended in 2013 is if they'd kept the same course as 2012.Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
counterofbeans said:
Sway said:
Lots of bad blood (excuse the pun) between them, and to a degree I understand fully.
Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
The only way Wiggins could have defended in 2013 is if they'd kept the same course as 2012.Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
counterofbeans said:
Sway said:
Lots of bad blood (excuse the pun) between them, and to a degree I understand fully.
Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
The only way Wiggins could have defended in 2013 is if they'd kept the same course as 2012.Froome's actions in Brad's winning TdF were not those of a team player. Nor was it anywhere near normal for the reigning champ to be dropped and not allowed to defend their title - that will have cost Brad millions in unearned revenue.
In the event, I think it likely he could have won. Let's be fair, he didn't really lose much on the climbs at all - and monstered the time trials. Yes, the balance was shifted, but not hugely.
Digga said:
I don;t really like road cycling as a sport, but IMHO there are elements of the way Froome won the TdF - his solo climbs and also gutsy descending - that set him apart from many others.
That could be said of Pantani, Armstrong, Contador or many others that are roundly criticised.It's pretty straightforward to blast the field on an hors category climb when you know you're going to get a fresh dose of stamina infused overnight...
dangerousB said:
julian64 said:
Yep or people who don't have asthma will noticed an increase in heart rate and breathing ability when they take asthma drugs
You decide what's more likely.
You decide what's more likely.
You've not made yourself very clear, but if you're trying to say "an inhaler used by a non-asthmatic will be performance enhancing", you would be completely wrong.
chunder27 said:
How pathetic from her.
They are both asthma sufferers too I gather
The whole sport is dodgy let's face it, has been for decades.
Just wash your hands of it, I think it is about the most bent sport there is right now.
Nope, no where close to the most bent sport. Follow the money.They are both asthma sufferers too I gather
The whole sport is dodgy let's face it, has been for decades.
Just wash your hands of it, I think it is about the most bent sport there is right now.
julian64 said:
dangerousB said:
julian64 said:
Yep or people who don't have asthma will noticed an increase in heart rate and breathing ability when they take asthma drugs
You decide what's more likely.
You decide what's more likely.
You've not made yourself very clear, but if you're trying to say "an inhaler used by a non-asthmatic will be performance enhancing", you would be completely wrong.
There is a problem with sport, cycling and the Olympics etc al.
Namely, Stimulants and performance enhancing substances, and the detection thereof.
Water is a stimulant if you’ve been lost in the Sahara for a couple of days, and food is a performance enhancing substance, try not eating.
Drugs occur naturally, that’s where we get most of them from anyway, so if you eat chili's or avocados or a handful of steroids or have twenty puffs on your inhaler it’s much the same.
Ok. Let’s have a free sports, take what you like, do what you like.
Cyclists with an extra lung transplanted in and chewing coca leaves.
Wrestlers with a centre of gravity about eighteen inches off the floor.
Fencers with arm lengthening operations, insertion of another radius and ulna.
High Jump Tibia extension etc You get the idea.
But there will have to be Olympics for other groups, and that will bring back the old protests.
See the following news items for our first Specialist Olympic Games:-
In the Vegan relay one competitor tested positive for rennet.
An existentialist was heard to say ‘where am I’ so he was on the bus back home.
In the Petulance, Disaffection and Professional Foul Games, the post-foul rolling event became a farce when an English Premier League star writhed from mid afternoon till it got dark. The professional lip-readers for the mouthed obscenity section had to be regularly relieved due to stress. Due to a close finish the winner had to be decided by a spit-out.
The Bad Luck Olympics, which includes the Clumsy and Inept, have placed restrictions on spectators at the javelin and shot events since the previous tragedies.
The Suburbanites refuse to live in an Olympic Village.
In orienteering, the sexual cross-dressers team were disqualified.
The men pretending to be women, insisted that the women pretending to be men should keep asking the way.
Stop press from the Free Olympics.
One hundred meters record set at 1.6 seconds.
Ho Tarse of Japan with implants of hydrogen and oxygen and vented shorts,
touched the ground only three times on his record breaking run.
Namely, Stimulants and performance enhancing substances, and the detection thereof.
Water is a stimulant if you’ve been lost in the Sahara for a couple of days, and food is a performance enhancing substance, try not eating.
Drugs occur naturally, that’s where we get most of them from anyway, so if you eat chili's or avocados or a handful of steroids or have twenty puffs on your inhaler it’s much the same.
Ok. Let’s have a free sports, take what you like, do what you like.
Cyclists with an extra lung transplanted in and chewing coca leaves.
Wrestlers with a centre of gravity about eighteen inches off the floor.
Fencers with arm lengthening operations, insertion of another radius and ulna.
High Jump Tibia extension etc You get the idea.
But there will have to be Olympics for other groups, and that will bring back the old protests.
See the following news items for our first Specialist Olympic Games:-
In the Vegan relay one competitor tested positive for rennet.
An existentialist was heard to say ‘where am I’ so he was on the bus back home.
In the Petulance, Disaffection and Professional Foul Games, the post-foul rolling event became a farce when an English Premier League star writhed from mid afternoon till it got dark. The professional lip-readers for the mouthed obscenity section had to be regularly relieved due to stress. Due to a close finish the winner had to be decided by a spit-out.
The Bad Luck Olympics, which includes the Clumsy and Inept, have placed restrictions on spectators at the javelin and shot events since the previous tragedies.
The Suburbanites refuse to live in an Olympic Village.
In orienteering, the sexual cross-dressers team were disqualified.
The men pretending to be women, insisted that the women pretending to be men should keep asking the way.
Stop press from the Free Olympics.
One hundred meters record set at 1.6 seconds.
Ho Tarse of Japan with implants of hydrogen and oxygen and vented shorts,
touched the ground only three times on his record breaking run.
Ayahuasca said:
I do not understand why some drugs are banned, but some others (ventolin) are allowed up to a certain limit.
Just ban all of them - aspirin, parecetamol, ventolin, the lot.
If a cyclist cannot cycle because he has asthma, then he cannot cycle.
Asthma is a side effect of the type of training they inflict on their lungs, it's highly prevalent in road cyclists.Just ban all of them - aspirin, parecetamol, ventolin, the lot.
If a cyclist cannot cycle because he has asthma, then he cannot cycle.
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