Nasty crash in B’Ham

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FiF

44,050 posts

251 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Rushjob said:
Wobbegong said:
Are there any images of the vehicles involved? Just that we narrowly missed a vehicle last night near there that was on the wrong side of the dual carriageway, no,lights, aiming at oncoming traffic.
Having read your comment, personally I'd contact West Mids Police and inform them of your near miss.
Yep dial 101 please, mention Belgrade and Lee Bank Middleway incident. It may be unrelated, but it's certainly worth doing regardless, please do it. Thanks in advance, and yes I know 101 response times can get a bad press on here, bear with it.

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

169 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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We’d already reported it. The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary. I’m guessing it was a stolen vehicle.
Part of me thinks it might be linked but I’ve seen a lot of bad driving in Birmingham, especially on the dual carriageways in the city centre which are used as racetracks.

zarjaz1991

3,480 posts

123 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Wobbegong said:
We’d already reported it. The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary. I’m guessing it was a stolen vehicle.
Hold on I don't quite get this...
"Just that we narrowly missed a vehicle last night near there that was on the wrong side of the dual carriageway, no,lights, aiming at oncoming traffic."
"The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary."
Those two statements can't possibly relate to the same incident.
You can't have a vehicle coming towards you on the wrong side of a dual carriageway who also tries to match you every time you switch lanes. Did you have one incident, or two?

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

169 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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There are two lanes on a dual carriageway? We moved to the left and they’d match, we moved to the right and they’d match that.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

110 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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zarjaz1991 said:
Hold on I don't quite get this...
"Just that we narrowly missed a vehicle last night near there that was on the wrong side of the dual carriageway, no,lights, aiming at oncoming traffic."
"The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary."
Those two statements can't possibly relate to the same incident.
You can't have a vehicle coming towards you on the wrong side of a dual carriageway who also tries to match you every time you switch lanes. Did you have one incident, or two?
Easy to see how they do.

Imagine driving towards someone who wants to drive into you; you go into left lane, they go to their right , now you're still heading towards each other.

How hard to imagine is that?

FiF

44,050 posts

251 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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zarjaz1991 said:
Wobbegong said:
We’d already reported it. The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary. I’m guessing it was a stolen vehicle.
Hold on I don't quite get this...
"Just that we narrowly missed a vehicle last night near there that was on the wrong side of the dual carriageway, no,lights, aiming at oncoming traffic."
"The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary."
Those two statements can't possibly relate to the same incident.
You can't have a vehicle coming towards you on the wrong side of a dual carriageway who also tries to match you every time you switch lanes. Did you have one incident, or two?
It makes sense to me. Poster in lane 1, oncoming vehicle in lane 1, poster switches to lane 2, as does opposing vehicle, poster switches back to lane 1, sees opposing vehicle also going to lane 1 so last second swerves all way out to lane 2 as far away as possible. Oncoming vehicle doesn't react in time, near miss. All my supposition, but that narrative would fit.

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

169 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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FiF said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Wobbegong said:
We’d already reported it. The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary. I’m guessing it was a stolen vehicle.
Hold on I don't quite get this...
"Just that we narrowly missed a vehicle last night near there that was on the wrong side of the dual carriageway, no,lights, aiming at oncoming traffic."
"The vehicle matched us every time we tried to switch lanes, pretty scary."
Those two statements can't possibly relate to the same incident.
You can't have a vehicle coming towards you on the wrong side of a dual carriageway who also tries to match you every time you switch lanes. Did you have one incident, or two?
It makes sense to me. Poster in lane 1, oncoming vehicle in lane 1, poster switches to lane 2, as does opposing vehicle, poster switches back to lane 1, sees opposing vehicle also going to lane 1 so last second swerves all way out to lane 2 as far away as possible. Oncoming vehicle doesn't react in time, near miss. All my supposition, but that narrative would fit.
Exactly yes

zarjaz1991

3,480 posts

123 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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You won't get more than a second or two of that though, you either crash or pass each other.

bristolracer

5,535 posts

149 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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What’s the speed limit in that underpass?
I can see a 40 sign on the slip road.

If that carnage is the result of a 40 mph head on, that is really a sobering thought.

Condolences to those involved,and a big thank you to the emergency services,that’s not an easy nights work.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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bristolracer said:
What’s the speed limit in that underpass?
I can see a 40 sign on the slip road.

If that carnage is the result of a 40 mph head on, that is really a sobering thought.

Condolences to those involved,and a big thank you to the emergency services,that’s not an easy nights work.
I was the car immediately behind a 40mph head on 2 weeks ago and yes the extent was the same

I also don’t get this ‘coming towards me’ thing it would last seconds so needs explaining better

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

179 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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bristolracer said:
What’s the speed limit in that underpass?
I can see a 40 sign on the slip road.

If that carnage is the result of a 40 mph head on, that is really a sobering thought.

Condolences to those involved,and a big thank you to the emergency services,that’s not an easy nights work.
I used to live in a flat overlooking it and it was 40 then

craste

1,222 posts

207 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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If you look at the pics on the daily mail website, the car which had its occupants ejected is an Audi S3, you can see the silver door mirrors they have.

My guess is that these were boy racers who have clipped the taxi as they went to over or under take, and its just forced them over the road into the oncoming car (is it a Toyota Yaris).

No seatbelts by the people in the Audi too.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Initial photos look like the black Audi S3 has gone across the central reservation and hit the small silver car and the taxi. Although that wouldn’t explain the frontal damage to the Seat Leon and Vauxhall Zafira.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Pictures up on the bbc site show daylight and investigation work, markers on the road and damage to vehicles not involving fatalities seem to suggest that whichever vehicle caused it has crossed the reservation on the way in to the tunnel, not on the way out.
Speed, camber and wet roads?

Paraicj

502 posts

141 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Jimmy Recard said:
bristolracer said:
What’s the speed limit in that underpass?
I can see a 40 sign on the slip road.

If that carnage is the result of a 40 mph head on, that is really a sobering thought.

Condolences to those involved,and a big thank you to the emergency services,that’s not an easy nights work.
I used to live in a flat overlooking it and it was 40 then
It's still a 40 on Lee Bank middleway.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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andrewparker said:
Initial photos look like the black Audi S3 has gone across the central reservation and hit the small silver car and the taxi. Although that wouldn’t explain the frontal damage to the Seat Leon and Vauxhall Zafira.
Seat has his n/s corner taken off by out of control car, Zafira rear ends Seat? Out of control car may have been trying to pass those two on the left at speed and lost it when unbalanced by the road dipping and faced with swerving the blue Ford?

RicksAlfas

13,387 posts

244 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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If this was in Bradford there would be a good chance the sporty Seat was involved too.
Racing the S3 perhaps?

Awful scenes. frown

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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NorfolkInClue1 said:
andrewparker said:
Initial photos look like the black Audi S3 has gone across the central reservation and hit the small silver car and the taxi. Although that wouldn’t explain the frontal damage to the Seat Leon and Vauxhall Zafira.
Seat has his n/s corner taken off by out of control car, Zafira rear ends Seat? Out of control car may have been trying to pass those two on the left at speed and lost it when unbalanced by the road dipping and faced with swerving the blue Ford?
Yeah, think I’d agree with that. Wouldn’t be unusual for an Audi S3 to be driven by a complete fool. Apologies if that is insensitive, but needless loss of life annoys me.

chris116

1,108 posts

168 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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NorfolkInClue1 said:
Pictures up on the bbc site show daylight and investigation work, markers on the road and damage to vehicles not involving fatalities seem to suggest that whichever vehicle caused it has crossed the reservation on the way in to the tunnel, not on the way out.
Speed, camber and wet roads?
It was incredibly slippy last night (4 or 5 miles north from there). Pavements and roads had a sort of frosty sheen to them, it was pretty treacherous just trying to walk on the pavement. Wouldn't have wanted to encounter that at speed going round a corner.


4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

132 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Looking at the pictures, I think the black hatchback (Golf?) has crossed the centre kerb, you can see its track marked out with little yellow markers. Once across it has punted the taxi into the silver MPV, and both of those into the wall.

Shows the importance of seatbelts, I wonder what the role of alcohol.


Edited by 4x4Tyke on Sunday 17th December 14:07