The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[Penelope Stopit]

Brother D said:

Mass shooting this morning

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/06/06/shooting-c...

We're up to a hundred people shot in Chicago in the month of June and it's not even been a full week yet!

Phew, no one dead, let's hope they all recover

[djc206]

Penelope Stopit said:

Brother D said:

Mass shooting this morning

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/06/06/shooting-c...

We're up to a hundred people shot in Chicago in the month of June and it's not even been a full week yet!

Phew, no one dead, let's hope they all recover

I know it’s not funny and I genuinely hope the victims all recover fully but did anyone else read “shot in the buttocks” in Forrest Gumps voice?

[Byker28i]

Shot a two year old because he left his bike on his lawn
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/boy-shot-in-arm-w...

[Clive Milk]

Is there a difference between what is a mass shooting in the USA and what is termed a mass shooting in Europe, Asia, Africa etc, just in numbers?

Is there even a definition of a mass shooting outside the USA number wise? Or is it so rare we don't categorize it?

If you look at Africa at the moment there are quite a few mass shootings due to religious and extremist elements etc. Why have we not got a thread on here about it?

Perhaps we don't care as much about them being killed?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-57368536

Edited by Clive Milk on Thursday 10th June 21:36

[Clive Milk]

If you had 160 people killed in the USA now that would be news that lasted more than one day.

[BritishBlitz87]

Clive Milk said:

Is there a difference between what is a mass shooting in the USA and what is termed a mass shooting in Europe, Asia, Africa etc, just in numbers?

Is there even a definition of a mass shooting outside the USA number wise? Or is it so rare we don't categorize it?

If you look at Africa at the moment there are quite a few mass shootings due to religious and extremist elements etc. Why have we not got a thread on here about it?

Perhaps we don't care as much about them being killed?

You sort of expect people to go around shooting up churches and schools in some godforsaken third-world dump where they drew a square on the map in 1906 and called it a day. Not the leader of the free world with the largest standing army and one of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

None of this was happening 30-40 years ago in America when africa was having a civil war every other week, but Africa is steadily progressing towards lasting peace while the USA appears to be falling apart.

[Clive Milk]

My viewpoint on the USA owning guns is let them get on with it and shoot themselves to st.

At some point in the far distant future when the rest of the world is living the 22nd Century life the USA will finally overturn the 2nd amendment.

Just due to being embarrassed.

Until then

[bigandclever]

Clive Milk said:

If you look at Africa at the moment there are quite a few mass shootings due to religious and extremist elements etc. Why have we not got a thread on here about it?

Have you started one?

[dvs_dave]

BritishBlitz87 said:

You sort of expect people to go around shooting up churches and schools in some godforsaken third-world dump where they drew a square on the map in 1906 and called it a day. Not the leader of the free world with the largest standing army and one of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

None of this was happening 30-40 years ago in America when africa was having a civil war every other week, but Africa is steadily progressing towards lasting peace while the USA appears to be falling apart.

The facts show the opposite.

The US homicide rate 30-40 years ago was WAY worse than it is today. In fact aside from a small recent uptick, it’s been in steady decline ever since.



Hysterical 24/7 instamedia direct into your eyeballs amplifying reality has a lot to answer for.

[rscott]

dvs_dave said:

BritishBlitz87 said:

You sort of expect people to go around shooting up churches and schools in some godforsaken third-world dump where they drew a square on the map in 1906 and called it a day. Not the leader of the free world with the largest standing army and one of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

None of this was happening 30-40 years ago in America when africa was having a civil war every other week, but Africa is steadily progressing towards lasting peace while the USA appears to be falling apart.

The facts show the opposite.

The US homicide rate 30-40 years ago was WAY worse than it is today. In fact aside from a small recent uptick, it’s been in steady decline ever since.



Hysterical 24/7 instamedia direct into your eyeballs amplifying reality has a lot to answer for.

If that carries on for a few more years, they might get the homicide rate down below Sudan! It's only 4 times that of Canada and 5 times that of the UK -https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

[dvs_dave]

rscott said:

If that carries on for a few more years, they might get the homicide rate down below Sudan! It's only 4 times that of Canada and 5 times that of the UK - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings...

FTFY
I’m sure there’s a Japanese motoring forum where it’s insufferably righteous members obsess over pointing out that you’re almost 5 times more likely to be murdered in the UK than in Japan, and what a terrible, uncaring, dangerous and fked up place the UK clearly must be.

[HM-2]

dvs_dave said:

The US homicide rate 30-40 years ago was WAY worse than it is today.

Whilst this is true, it sort of misses the point.

Whilst the US homicide rate has declined steadily until a few years ago where it effectively plateaued, the instances of mass shootings (defined as three or more people being shot in the same incident) have not. Per capita the rate at which mass shootings occur has dramatically increased since the 1980s. 124 public mass shootings (IE excluding workplace shootings and familicide) resulting in at least three fatalities have taken place in the US since 1982; half of these (62) have occured in the 8 years since 2013 alone.

Not only has the rate of mass shooting significantly increased, but the average death toll and frequency of very high mortality incidents has too. Of the ten US mass shootings with the largest death toll, 8 have occurred since 2000, 6 since 2010 and 5 within the last 5 years.

dvs_dave said:

I’m sure there’s a Japanese motoring forum where it’s insufferably righteous members obsess over pointing out that you’re almost 5 times more likely to be murdered in the UK than in Japan, and what a terrible, uncaring, dangerous and fked up place the UK clearly must be.

The difference is that the Japanese murder rate is anomalously low compared to that of developed Western countries. The US' is anomalously high and the UK's about average. Pointing out that some places have a lower murder rate than the UK is simply a deflection to avoid addressing why the US' is 4-5 times that of other English speaking countries of similar economic development, even though other violent crime rates are roughly similar.

Edited by HM-2 on Friday 11th June 08:19

[BritishBlitz87]

dvs_dave said:

The facts show the opposite.

The US homicide rate 30-40 years ago was WAY worse than it is today. In fact aside from a small recent uptick, it’s been in steady decline ever since.



Hysterical 24/7 instamedia direct into your eyeballs amplifying reality has a lot to answer for.

Homicide does not equal indiscriminate mass shootings.

That period is when urban decay and later the crack epidemic led to vast increases in violent crome, while police forces were barely managing to cling to existence in the face of declining budgets, let alone mount an effective response to large-scale organised crime.

The USA peaked in terms of living standards for the Average Joe in the early 70s, since then its all been downhill.

[dvs_dave]

Yea but no but yea but, UK good, USA bad, nothing else is relevant, endlessly circular discussion, echo echo echo….business as usual then

[HM-2]

dvs_dave said:

Yea but no but yea but, UK good, USA bad, nothing else is relevant, endlessly circular discussion, echo echo echo….business as usual then

If you didn't want to contribute anything to the discussion, you could have just not posted.

[dvs_dave]

HM-2 said:

dvs_dave said:

Yea but no but yea but, UK good, USA bad, nothing else is relevant, endlessly circular discussion, echo echo echo….business as usual then

If you didn't want to contribute anything to the discussion, you could have just not posted.

I did, but as usual, any posts, opinions, counters, or comparisons with the faintest hint of pro-USA, anti-UK facts/sentiment are dismissed as irrelevant and not wanting to be heard. Good job you don’t have to live there as its obviously a terrible place where being shot to death/murdered is practically an inevitability…..a Japanese man also said about the UK.

CARRY ON….carry on…..carry on….

[HM-2]

dvs_dave said:

I did, but as usual, any posts, opinions, counters, or comparisons with the faintest hint of pro-USA, anti-UK facts/sentiment are dismissed as irrelevant and not wanting to be heard.

This isn't remotely true. Far from being unheard, your opinions, counters and comparisons have been addressed on their merits, accuracy and relevance. None of your comments have been dismissed offhand and where they have been questioned the justification has always been clear. The fact you cast your own views as as "pro-USA" and "anti-UK", as if to suggest anyone who dare question the validity of your comments must necessarily be pro-UK and anti-USA is frankly absurd too.

If you're unable to see why talking about declining murder rates whilst intentionally ignoring a massive increase in both frequency of and deaths associated with public mass shootings fails to address the issue, I don't really know what else to say.

If you think a whataboutism comparing the UK and Japan in some way addresses the fact that the US has an intentional homicide rate at least three times that of any comparable nation even though other crime rates (and even violent crime rates) are roughly similar, I don't see what more can be done.

Edited by HM-2 on Saturday 12th June 08:27

[dvs_dave]

Of course it doesn’t “address it”. What more is there to address regards mass shootings? It’s a problem compared to places like the UK, yes we know, ad infinitum. This thread has just become a cycle of how many different ways that can be said accompanied by equally glib and repetitive solutions because thats how it works in the UK, so that must be the way…..stoopid Americans.

The Japanese comparison is interesting as the relative difference in murder rate (not mass shooting as that’s a specifically US issue) is similar. What is Japan doing that the UK isn’t resulting in such a low comparative rate? Surely their situation is what everyone should be striving for, or is the current UK murder rate at an “acceptable” level because it’s better than it is in the US, which is as different to the UK as Japan is to the UK.

[HM-2]

dvs_dave said:

It’s a problem compared to places like the UK

It's a problem compared to everywhere. Literally nowhere within the developed world has this problem.

dvs_dave said:

This thread has just become a cycle of how many different ways that can be said accompanied by equally glib and repetitive solutions

I have literally no idea what your on about; your perception of this thread versus the actual content of it seem to differ wildly.

dvs_dave said:

The Japanese comparison is interesting as the relative difference in murder rate (not mass shooting as that’s a specifically US issue) is similar. What is Japan doing that the UK isn’t resulting in such a low comparative rate?

The simple answer is societal factors. Overall crime rates in Japan are vastly lower than those pretty much anywhere else in the developed world. This, amongst s myriad of other reasons, is why it offers a relatively useless point of comparison. It's essentially like saying "Titan and the moon both orbit planets, why are they so different?".

A: "Hey, the US really seems to have an issue with high murder rates that other comparable countries don't exhibit, what's up with that?"
b: "Well the UK has a higher murder rate than Japan so there"

It's the most transparent and inept attempt deflection attempt.

dvs_dave said:

Surely their situation is what everyone should be striving for, or is the current UK murder rate at an “acceptable” level because it’s better than it is in the US, which is as different to the UK as Japan is to the UK.

Literally nobody has said or suggested the UK murder rate is "acceptable" and I have no idea how you could have possibly interpreted such. You're so busy trying to spin false "country X versus country Y" narratives you can't even grasp your own point anymore, let alone anyone rises.

Edited by HM-2 on Saturday 12th June 22:29

[djc206]

14 injured on E 6th St Austin TX. It’s their equivalent of Bourbon Street so would have been heaving.