The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
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A Winner Is You said:
Ructions said:
Total number of gun related deaths to date this year in the US is 36513.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
But 0 communist invasions, proof the good guys with guns are winning.https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
Halmyre said:
A Winner Is You said:
Ructions said:
Total number of gun related deaths to date this year in the US is 36513.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
But 0 communist invasions, proof the good guys with guns are winning.https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
Byker28i said:
It's being reported Pensacola shooter, identified by law enforcement sources as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, was a Saudi national who apparently was there for pilot training.
They’ll be outrage about this one then- what could be done to stop it- ban Saudis, ban Muslims etc- come down hard. Shame about the other 40,000 murder victims this year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5069579...
Very barbaric indeed. Considering what happened at the Saudi embassy in Turkey I don't know how they can have the utter gall to paint it in those terms. Completely oblivious to public sentiment it seems. That's what happens when you live in white towered palaces.
Very barbaric indeed. Considering what happened at the Saudi embassy in Turkey I don't know how they can have the utter gall to paint it in those terms. Completely oblivious to public sentiment it seems. That's what happens when you live in white towered palaces.
Ructions said:
A high-speed police pursuit of a hijacked UPS truck that began with an armed robbery and shootout at a jewelry shop in Coral Gables ended in a hail of gunfire, killing four people in Miramar Thursday evening.
The incident began with a robbery and shootout at Regent Jewelers at 386 Miracle Mile just after 4 p.m., Coral Gables Police said.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/police-pursuit...
https://twitter.com/rklueber28/status/120272218569...The incident began with a robbery and shootout at Regent Jewelers at 386 Miracle Mile just after 4 p.m., Coral Gables Police said.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/police-pursuit...
There could be a lot of s
t about this because when someone watching the tv can see the police are shooting the UPS guy the cops should have been able to also. One person got killed as reported in their car who could not get out of the way.Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 7th December 11:48
Perspective from the other side
https://us.cnn.com/2019/12/06/us/florida-ups-truck...
If you watch this and my previous post you can see that no shots seem to have been fired from the UPS van that you can see,
However the US police union has already been clever enough to deduce the following
A police union official, meanwhile, said that officers handled the situation well, given the circumstances.
"If you shoot at us, we are going to engage. We are going to stop the threat," Steadman Stahl, president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association, said Friday. "When bad guys are shooting at you, how do you negotiate?""
"At least 13 police officers were shot at, but none was injured, said Stahl, the police union president.
13? How does he get that figure? And none injured ....
What a load of baloney.
"When bad guys are shooting at you ..."
Well don't shoot innocent good guys for a start ....
https://us.cnn.com/2019/12/06/us/florida-ups-truck...
If you watch this and my previous post you can see that no shots seem to have been fired from the UPS van that you can see,
However the US police union has already been clever enough to deduce the following
A police union official, meanwhile, said that officers handled the situation well, given the circumstances.
"If you shoot at us, we are going to engage. We are going to stop the threat," Steadman Stahl, president of the South Florida Police Benevolent Association, said Friday. "When bad guys are shooting at you, how do you negotiate?""
"At least 13 police officers were shot at, but none was injured, said Stahl, the police union president.
13? How does he get that figure? And none injured ....
What a load of baloney.
"When bad guys are shooting at you ..."
Well don't shoot innocent good guys for a start ....
A lot of states have what is known as the "fleeing felon" law.
If the officer has a reasonable belief that the person has used a deadly weapon in a crime and is still armed, they can use deadly force to prevent that person from being a fleeing felon with that deadly weapon. They certainly don't need to be shooting for this law to be used. Google Devon Bailey.
The majority of Americans support this law and whilst its not pretty they have their laws for a reason. Its not how we do things, but then again its not that common for criminals to be armed here and those that are generally don't use their guns.
If the officer has a reasonable belief that the person has used a deadly weapon in a crime and is still armed, they can use deadly force to prevent that person from being a fleeing felon with that deadly weapon. They certainly don't need to be shooting for this law to be used. Google Devon Bailey.
The majority of Americans support this law and whilst its not pretty they have their laws for a reason. Its not how we do things, but then again its not that common for criminals to be armed here and those that are generally don't use their guns.
jakesmith said:
Byker28i said:
It's being reported Pensacola shooter, identified by law enforcement sources as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, was a Saudi national who apparently was there for pilot training.
They’ll be outrage about this one then- what could be done to stop it- ban Saudis, ban Muslims etc- come down hard. Shame about the other 40,000 murder victims this year. NRS said:
Apparently the Saudi shooter is a terrorist, despite most of the similarities to the typical mass shootings that happen frequently there, and the way to solve it is banning/restricting foreigners.
As the F.B.I. continues to conduct interviews with everyone at the Pensacola Naval Air Station who may have had contact with the gunman, identified as Second Lt. Mohammed Alshamrani, a new report emerged that the Saudi trainee filed a formal complaint earlier this year against one of his instructors, who left him “infuriated” in class by tagging him with a derogatory nickname.The complaint, quoted in a communication circulated among people connected to the flight training, said that the instructor referred to Lieutenant Alshamrani as “Porn Stash” in front of about 10 other aviation students, embarrassing and angering him.
”I was infuriated as to why he would say that in front of the class,” the Saudi trainee wrote in his complaint, as quoted in the summary. The document was reviewed by The New York Times and authenticated by a person who spoke with Lieutenant Alshamrani shortly after the incident.
The F.B.I. declined to comment on the April incident, and the special agent in charge of the agency’s Jacksonville office, Rachel Rojas, said on Sunday that investigators are still searching for a motive for the Friday morning attack. There has been nothing to suggest that the classroom incident had any connection to the shooting, which did not occur until more than seven months later.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/us/pensacola-gu...
Perhaps if he'd been subjected to months of derogatory comments he finally flipped?
Lentilist said:
Ended quickly, but from the video, at least one of the people shot looked to be reaching for a weapon, but was shot before they could use it, at which point security guard shot the attacker. Bulk of congregation still reacting and ducking by the time it was over. Obviously good that it was stopped so quickly, but the "good guy with a gun" narrative is misleading, as it was really "armed and trained church security", which whilst clearly in the "good guy" column in such a situation, isn't quite the same thing. Sad and baffling situation.
Congregations often have volunteers from the congregation armed these days yes usualy retired cops . it’s Texas lots open carry.There is nothing misleading at all. A good guy with a gun ended it. Others were ready but weren’t needed it went fast of course people were mainly flinching. Shotguns are loud.
For your information us cops and security are not all ‘ gun guys’ many only completing the bare minimum training yearly their department requires.
Often gun enthusiasts practice more and pay for training too. I’m sure it happens but you don’t buy a gun and stick it in a drawer unless you are very foolish.
Not sure why you want to spin this as anything other than a good guy with a gun ended it, perhaps it doesn’t fit a narrative you want.
Others were ready to stand up luckily they were not needed.
Whoever thus guy was he hit a moving target with one shot to the head from quite a distance for a pistol. He’s a hero and a damn good shot. He probably has had a lot of training. And he was ready and able to put it to use.
F1GTRUeno said:
I mean, needing armed volunteers to be armed security at a fking church is so out of this world stupidly off but alas, 'murica.
but you can understand why when, for instance, someone just starts stabbing Jewish peopleking church is so out of this world stupidly off but alas, 'murica.https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/29/m...
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/29/us/new-york-sta...
when you've got NYPD saying they'll step up patrols in the Jewish areas
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/26/us/anti-semitic...
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