The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
Discussion
Byker28i said:
Didn't need a 'good guy with a gun' member of the congregation hogtied the shooter with an extension cable. All really old people killed and injured again.
I see the Washington Post running with how the No. 3 House Republican, Elise Stefanik has echoed the white replacement racist theory used by Buffalo suspect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/15...
Looks like someone registered a new website in her name and had some fun....I see the Washington Post running with how the No. 3 House Republican, Elise Stefanik has echoed the white replacement racist theory used by Buffalo suspect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/15...
www.elisestefanik2022.com
She's not going to be happy
https://twitter.com/tobymorton/status/152600644853...
Castrol for a knave said:
Byker28i said:
Didn't need a 'good guy with a gun' member of the congregation hogtied the shooter with an extension cable. All really old people killed and injured again.
I see the Washington Post running with how the No. 3 House Republican, Elise Stefanik has echoed the white replacement racist theory used by Buffalo suspect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/15...
Looks like someone registered a new website in her name and had some fun....I see the Washington Post running with how the No. 3 House Republican, Elise Stefanik has echoed the white replacement racist theory used by Buffalo suspect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/15...
www.elisestefanik2022.com
She's not going to be happy
https://twitter.com/tobymorton/status/152600644853...
djc206 said:
andyA700 said:
US knife murders are higher than the UK at 4.96 per million, compared to UK at 3.26 per million. The UK is simply a far less violent place than the US. The availability of guns makes it far easier for lunatics to commit mass murder.
https://www.euronews.com/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-...
Thanks, it’s clearly gone up since I last looked. I think the last stats I found had us level pegged. The U.K. murder rate seems to have fallen during covid and stayed low, the US has risen so that would make sense.https://www.euronews.com/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-...
andyA700 said:
Halmyre said:
NMNeil said:
Countdown said:
Banning them will make it much harder for loons to get hold of them which will reduce the number of fatalities. (I don't think anybody has suggested it will eliminate them).
p.s. the "solution" is there but there aren't any votes in it.
Where there's a will, there's a way.p.s. the "solution" is there but there aren't any votes in it.
Of course you could ban Youtube or close all the hardware stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8IzRT_4rgs
And if they banned guns, the f
ksticks would simply turn to something else.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
They don't even register guns properly, have no idea how many weapons are out there, they just guess, then the same old trope of 'violent computer games' instead of actual action.
The US effectively gave up when they accepted active shooter drills in schools rather than address the problem, If they won't even protect the kids... GOP as a 'pro life' party is laughable
NMNeil said:
Perhaps I should have said most knives.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
And I stand corrected about firearms. If you can show a reason why you want one you still have to ask permission first before they will grant a license.
But your choices seem to be limited, with no Glocks allowed. Just seems odd to me having to ask permission and have the police over to your house to see if you're a worthy person in their opinion.
But even with all those restrictions 6 died in Plymouth by the hand of someone deemed worthy, so all those restrictions didn't work.
The Plymouth shooting wouldn't have happened if the police had done their job properly, I've not kept us with the investigation but the last I heard there had been three officers suspended over it.https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
And I stand corrected about firearms. If you can show a reason why you want one you still have to ask permission first before they will grant a license.
But your choices seem to be limited, with no Glocks allowed. Just seems odd to me having to ask permission and have the police over to your house to see if you're a worthy person in their opinion.
But even with all those restrictions 6 died in Plymouth by the hand of someone deemed worthy, so all those restrictions didn't work.
NMNeil said:
Where there's a will, there's a way.
Of course you could ban Youtube or close all the hardware stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8IzRT_4rgs
And if they banned guns, the fksticks would simply turn to something else.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
But rather than go back and forward with an endless argument, does anyone have an answer that would work, the world would love to cure the madness of one person killing another, no matter the weapon used?
Are you really that blind ?Of course you could ban Youtube or close all the hardware stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8IzRT_4rgs
And if they banned guns, the f
ksticks would simply turn to something else.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-5597056...
The ban on knives in the UK simply is'nt working, neither is your ban on guns.
But rather than go back and forward with an endless argument, does anyone have an answer that would work, the world would love to cure the madness of one person killing another, no matter the weapon used?
US 12 per 100000
UK 0.2 per 100000
Yes, there are a lot of factors involved but a hundredfold difference, get real
Castrol for a knave said:
Byker28i said:
Its the same tired excuses he makes
We have doctors checks to make sure we don't have a history of mental issues. We have checks on the house and interviews for any firearm, shotgun or rifle etc.
Knife crime, around 41000 offences in the latest stats, 224 deaths with a sharp instrument, which is knives, broken bottles, screwdrivers etc
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...
Yet in the US, around 54% of deaths, over 24,000 are suicides... 79% of all murders are with guns
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4148808...
The whole knife argument, when applied to gun ownership is a squirrel.We have doctors checks to make sure we don't have a history of mental issues. We have checks on the house and interviews for any firearm, shotgun or rifle etc.
Knife crime, around 41000 offences in the latest stats, 224 deaths with a sharp instrument, which is knives, broken bottles, screwdrivers etc
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...
Yet in the US, around 54% of deaths, over 24,000 are suicides... 79% of all murders are with guns
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4148808...
Like the whole "you could kill someone with a baseball bat, so why ban guns"?
Because you can't kill someone and several others, from 150m with a baseball bat
ZedLeg said:
When are people going to stop calling these killers mentally unstable loners and look towards the powerful cultural figures who are radicalising them?
Shades of grey.Not sure which cultural figures you mean, but rap artists, Trump, etc?
If so, I guess the argument goes that millions will listen to them without going on killing sprees. So there must be more to it.
Stopping a "cultural figure" preaching out in the open is unlikely to stop the unhinged doing something unhinged. They'll just find another excuse.
Guns don't help matters as it just increases the damage that can be inflicted in a short space of time. But that ship sailed ages ago in the US. The US at large doesn't seem to want anything done about that.
How many of these events happen? As a %age of the population it will be miniscule. Doing anything material about it will be incredibly difficult.
Murph7355 said:
Shades of grey.
Not sure which cultural figures you mean, but rap artists, Trump, etc?
If so, I guess the argument goes that millions will listen to them without going on killing sprees. So there must be more to it.
Stopping a "cultural figure" preaching out in the open is unlikely to stop the unhinged doing something unhinged. They'll just find another excuse.
Guns don't help matters as it just increases the damage that can be inflicted in a short space of time. But that ship sailed ages ago in the US. The US at large doesn't seem to want anything done about that.
How many of these events happen? As a %age of the population it will be miniscule. Doing anything material about it will be incredibly difficult.
I get what you are sayingNot sure which cultural figures you mean, but rap artists, Trump, etc?
If so, I guess the argument goes that millions will listen to them without going on killing sprees. So there must be more to it.
Stopping a "cultural figure" preaching out in the open is unlikely to stop the unhinged doing something unhinged. They'll just find another excuse.
Guns don't help matters as it just increases the damage that can be inflicted in a short space of time. But that ship sailed ages ago in the US. The US at large doesn't seem to want anything done about that.
How many of these events happen? As a %age of the population it will be miniscule. Doing anything material about it will be incredibly difficult.
but some 'unhinged' people are more likely to go out and kill people if charismatic figures say "go out and kill people" and with racially motivated shootings, some are not far off from saying that.
Murph7355 said:
ZedLeg said:
When are people going to stop calling these killers mentally unstable loners and look towards the powerful cultural figures who are radicalising them?
Shades of grey.Not sure which cultural figures you mean, but rap artists, Trump, etc?
If so, I guess the argument goes that millions will listen to them without going on killing sprees. So there must be more to it.
Stopping a "cultural figure" preaching out in the open is unlikely to stop the unhinged doing something unhinged. They'll just find another excuse.
Guns don't help matters as it just increases the damage that can be inflicted in a short space of time. But that ship sailed ages ago in the US. The US at large doesn't seem to want anything done about that.
How many of these events happen? As a %age of the population it will be miniscule. Doing anything material about it will be incredibly difficult.
Not sure what rappers have to do with white supremacist mass killers.
ZedLeg said:
Murph7355 said:
ZedLeg said:
When are people going to stop calling these killers mentally unstable loners and look towards the powerful cultural figures who are radicalising them?
Shades of grey.Not sure which cultural figures you mean, but rap artists, Trump, etc?
If so, I guess the argument goes that millions will listen to them without going on killing sprees. So there must be more to it.
Stopping a "cultural figure" preaching out in the open is unlikely to stop the unhinged doing something unhinged. They'll just find another excuse.
Guns don't help matters as it just increases the damage that can be inflicted in a short space of time. But that ship sailed ages ago in the US. The US at large doesn't seem to want anything done about that.
How many of these events happen? As a %age of the population it will be miniscule. Doing anything material about it will be incredibly difficult.
Not sure what rappers have to do with white supremacist mass killers.
"African Americans, who were only 13% of the U.S. population in 2010, were 55% of the victims of gun homicide. In 2017 African American boys and men aged 15 to 34 years were the most frequent victims of firearm homicide in the United States with a 81 deaths per 100,000 population."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_...
NMNeil said:
Evanivitch said:
UK doesn't have a ban on knives or guns, just far stricter type and ownership laws than the US.
I could legally own anything from a shotgun, a revolver or a .50 cal bolt action in the UK.
Perhaps I should have said most knives.I could legally own anything from a shotgun, a revolver or a .50 cal bolt action in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
And I stand corrected about firearms. If you can show a reason why you want one you still have to ask permission first before they will grant a license.
But your choices seem to be limited, with no Glocks allowed. Just seems odd to me having to ask permission and have the police over to your house to see if you're a worthy person in their opinion.
Just like 28 states have child-safe storage requirements and 11 lock/safe requirements on guns.
https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms...
Glocks are also allowed in UK. But we do have barrel length requirements (i.e. no longer a pistol in UK law).
NMNeil said:
But even with all those restrictions 6 died in Plymouth by the hand of someone deemed worthy, so all those restrictions didn't work.
And yet that was a failure of the system (implemented at a local level) and not the laws nationally, or wider police forces.ZedLeg said:
When are people going to stop calling these killers mentally unstable loners and look towards the powerful cultural figures who are radicalising them?
If they're white- they mentally unstable and ill, if not, then they're Muslim terrorists, or just black. If the Buffalo shooting was reversed, and 11 of the victims white, the National Guard would be out, Fox would be over it like a tramp on chips and the NRA calling for licence checks on non-whites.
Byker28i said:
Murph7355 said:
How many of these events happen? .
Well from earlier - just this weekend...
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-weeke...
I couldn't believe that every year around 50 people are shot in one city in over a weekend.
Byker28i said:
Not whilst the few hand over money to politicians and they block any changes. It won't change whilst there's so much money in US politics, the same people just get rich from donations.
They don't even register guns properly, have no idea how many weapons are out there, they just guess, then the same old trope of 'violent computer games' instead of actual action.
The US effectively gave up when they accepted active shooter drills in schools rather than address the problem, If they won't even protect the kids... GOP as a 'pro life' party is laughable
Money plays it’s part for sure, but this illustrates the real reason why there’s little appetite to do much about it.They don't even register guns properly, have no idea how many weapons are out there, they just guess, then the same old trope of 'violent computer games' instead of actual action.
The US effectively gave up when they accepted active shooter drills in schools rather than address the problem, If they won't even protect the kids... GOP as a 'pro life' party is laughable
Black (13% of pop.): >35/100k
White (60% of pop.): <2/100k
It’s just not actually a problem for most “Americans”….
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7042a6.ht...
Edited by dvs_dave on Monday 16th May 13:55
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