The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

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Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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MartG said:
From a friend in the US

Yeah right.

Tell your friend that FBI stats show 4% of the population commit 56% of the murders. ( males of a group aged between 13 and 35)

However that is not even close because that counts convictions only and cities like Chicago do not cooperate with their stats.
Most murders in the hood go unsolved its closer to 4% commit 75% of the murders

See what your friend says about that.

There are typically around 40 shootings a weekend in Chicago. Funny how those never make these threads.
Take away that one demographic and America has less murdered per 100k than Belgium.

Check the stats for Wyoming. They have less murders that we do.

Also i notice they did not include the POC wearing a down with the patriachy shirt who got killed trying to enter a school with a gun. Shot at police officers before being killed.

Of course the media was full of unarmed poc gets murdered by police.



Edited by Pesty on Monday 28th January 10:06

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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MartG said:
From a friend in the US

Yeah right.

Tell your friend that FBI stats show 4% of the population commit 56% of the murders. ( males of a group aged between 13 and 35)

However that is not even close because that counts convictions only and cities like Chicago do not cooperate with their stats.
Most murders in the hood go unsolved its closer to 4% commit 75% of the murders

See what your friend says about that.

There are typically around 40 shootings a weekend in Chicago. Funny how those never make these threads.
Take away that one demographic and America has less murdered per 100k than Belgium.

Check the stats for Wyoming. They have less murders that we do.

Also i notice they did not include the POC wearing a down with the patriachy shirt who got killed trying to enter a school with a gun. Shot at police officers before being killed.

Of course the media was full of unarmed poc gets murdered by police.



Edited by Pesty on Monday 28th January 10:32

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Monday 28th January 2019
quotequote all
MartG said:
From a friend in the US

Yeah right.

Tell your friend that FBI stats show 4% of the population commit 56% of the murders. ( males of a group aged between 13 and 35)

However that is not even close because that counts convictions only and cities like Chicago do not cooperate with their stats.
Most murders in the hood go unsolved its closer to 4% commit 75% of the murders

See what your friend says about that.

There are typically around 40 shootings a weekend in Chicago. Funny how those never make these threads.
Take away that one demographic and America has less murdered per 100k than Belgium.

Edited by Pesty on Monday 28th January 10:32

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Monday 28th January 2019
quotequote all
MartG said:
From a friend in the US

Yeah right.

Tell your friend that FBI stats show 4% of the population commit 56% of the murders.

However that is not even close because that counts convictions only and cities like Chicago do not cooperate with their stats.
Most murders in the hood go unsolved its closer to 4% commit 75% of the murders

See what your friend says about that.

MartG

20,620 posts

203 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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^ I think we touched a nerve there - 4 times biggrin

paua

5,648 posts

142 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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MartG said:
^ I think we touched a nerve there - 4 times biggrin
He's got his finger on the trigger & a dose of the stutters. wink

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Pesty said:
Yeah right.

Tell your friend that FBI stats show 4% of the population commit 56% of the murders. ( males of a group aged between 13 and 35)

However that is not even close because that counts convictions only and cities like Chicago do not cooperate with their stats.
Most murders in the hood go unsolved its closer to 4% commit 75% of the murders

See what your friend says about that.

There are typically around 40 shootings a weekend in Chicago. Funny how those never make these threads.
Take away that one demographic and America has less murdered per 100k than Belgium.

Edited by Pesty on Monday 28th January 10:32
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-murder-total-2018-homicides-police-department/

Fatal shootings dropped in Chicago for the third year running - last year's death toll was around 600. There were on average 45 firearms incidents a week there (of all kinds, not just fatalities) , so either your 40 a weekend is wrong, or Chicago's a very safe place to be during the week.


Murder rate in Belgium is around 2 per 100,000 (about 200 or so per year, population is 11 million)

Murder rate in USA is around 5.2 per 100,000 (17,000 or so a year, population is 325 million) . Even over-estimating the number of murders in Chicago to be 1,000 only changes the rate to 4.9.
So your claim that Belgium has a higher murder rate per 100,000 is wrong.

Even looking at just firearms deaths in the US, the figure is believed to be around 3.5 per 100,000 . So even after removing Chicago's firearm fatalities from that, you end up with a rate of 3 per 100k - still higher than the total murder rate in Belgium.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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paua said:
He's got his finger on the trigger & a dose of the stutters. wink
semi automatic posting biggrin

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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MartG said:
From a friend in the US

what's the deal with 21 year olds? had their first legal beer there and decided to go on a spree?

j_4m

1,574 posts

63 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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rscott said:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-murder-t...

Fatal shootings dropped in Chicago for the third year running - last year's death toll was around 600. There were on average 45 firearms incidents a week there (of all kinds, not just fatalities) , so either your 40 a weekend is wrong, or Chicago's a very safe place to be during the week.


Murder rate in Belgium is around 2 per 100,000 (about 200 or so per year, population is 11 million)

Murder rate in USA is around 5.2 per 100,000 (17,000 or so a year, population is 325 million) . Even over-estimating the number of murders in Chicago to be 1,000 only changes the rate to 4.9.
So your claim that Belgium has a higher murder rate per 100,000 is wrong.

Even looking at just firearms deaths in the US, the figure is believed to be around 3.5 per 100,000 . So even after removing Chicago's firearm fatalities from that, you end up with a rate of 3 per 100k - still higher than the total murder rate in Belgium.
I think he was being circumspect in making the point that the vast majority of shootings, including mass shootings, in America are perpetrated by young black males and that if you took a whites only murder rate it'd be incredibly low. This is true, but reduces a very complex issue to race baiting and doesn't really contribute in any way to finding a solution for America's violence problem.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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j_4m said:
rscott said:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-murder-t...

Fatal shootings dropped in Chicago for the third year running - last year's death toll was around 600. There were on average 45 firearms incidents a week there (of all kinds, not just fatalities) , so either your 40 a weekend is wrong, or Chicago's a very safe place to be during the week.


Murder rate in Belgium is around 2 per 100,000 (about 200 or so per year, population is 11 million)

Murder rate in USA is around 5.2 per 100,000 (17,000 or so a year, population is 325 million) . Even over-estimating the number of murders in Chicago to be 1,000 only changes the rate to 4.9.
So your claim that Belgium has a higher murder rate per 100,000 is wrong.

Even looking at just firearms deaths in the US, the figure is believed to be around 3.5 per 100,000 . So even after removing Chicago's firearm fatalities from that, you end up with a rate of 3 per 100k - still higher than the total murder rate in Belgium.
I think he was being circumspect in making the point that the vast majority of shootings, including mass shootings, in America are perpetrated by young black males and that if you took a whites only murder rate it'd be incredibly low. This is true, but reduces a very complex issue to race baiting and doesn't really contribute in any way to finding a solution for America's violence problem.
?? I think we all know what at least a partial solution is, there just doesn’t seem to be the strength to go for it.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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REALIST123 said:
j_4m said:
rscott said:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-murder-t...

Fatal shootings dropped in Chicago for the third year running - last year's death toll was around 600. There were on average 45 firearms incidents a week there (of all kinds, not just fatalities) , so either your 40 a weekend is wrong, or Chicago's a very safe place to be during the week.


Murder rate in Belgium is around 2 per 100,000 (about 200 or so per year, population is 11 million)

Murder rate in USA is around 5.2 per 100,000 (17,000 or so a year, population is 325 million) . Even over-estimating the number of murders in Chicago to be 1,000 only changes the rate to 4.9.
So your claim that Belgium has a higher murder rate per 100,000 is wrong.

Even looking at just firearms deaths in the US, the figure is believed to be around 3.5 per 100,000 . So even after removing Chicago's firearm fatalities from that, you end up with a rate of 3 per 100k - still higher than the total murder rate in Belgium.
I think he was being circumspect in making the point that the vast majority of shootings, including mass shootings, in America are perpetrated by young black males and that if you took a whites only murder rate it'd be incredibly low. This is true, but reduces a very complex issue to race baiting and doesn't really contribute in any way to finding a solution for America's violence problem.
?? I think we all know what at least a partial solution is, there just doesn’t seem to be the strength to go for it.
Seems like they're making some progress in Chicago - 9,500 illegal guns seized last year.

j_4m

1,574 posts

63 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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REALIST123 said:
?? I think we all know what at least a partial solution is, there just doesn’t seem to be the strength to go for it.
I'm assuming you mean sweeping gun control. Sure, if you don't want any more horses escaping from that empty stable and have the stomach to completely reform the US Constitution and Supreme Court.

Last Visit

2,796 posts

187 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Im sure this thread could have been bumped a dozen times since the last post.....

Anyhow, it appears some people don't like losing their jobs in the USA. Same happens here in the UK of course but without the sound of body bags being zipped up at the end.

https://news.sky.com/story/gunman-kills-five-peopl...

jakesmith

9,461 posts

170 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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“There is nothing we can do to stop it”
Says the only country where it happens frequently

“More guns is the answer” says the gun lobby of a country with a massive gun problem

croyde

22,701 posts

229 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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According to his mum he was 'stressed out'.

Trouble is being stressed out in a country where it's ok to own guns is not really a good thing.

I've said it before as I have struggled with depression. If I was allowed to own a gun I wouldn't be here now.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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jakesmith said:
“There is nothing we can do to stop it”
Says the only country where it happens frequently

“More guns is the answer” says the gun lobby of a country with a massive gun problem
common sense in action!

this is one of those thread when I see it pop up on my stuff, I wonder how many have died this time.

Gary C

12,313 posts

178 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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rscott said:
Pesty said:
Yeah right.

Tell your friend that FBI stats show 4% of the population commit 56% of the murders. ( males of a group aged between 13 and 35)

However that is not even close because that counts convictions only and cities like Chicago do not cooperate with their stats.
Most murders in the hood go unsolved its closer to 4% commit 75% of the murders

See what your friend says about that.

There are typically around 40 shootings a weekend in Chicago. Funny how those never make these threads.
Take away that one demographic and America has less murdered per 100k than Belgium.

Edited by Pesty on Monday 28th January 10:32
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-murder-total-2018-homicides-police-department/

Fatal shootings dropped in Chicago for the third year running - last year's death toll was around 600. There were on average 45 firearms incidents a week there (of all kinds, not just fatalities) , so either your 40 a weekend is wrong, or Chicago's a very safe place to be during the week.


Murder rate in Belgium is around 2 per 100,000 (about 200 or so per year, population is 11 million)

Murder rate in USA is around 5.2 per 100,000 (17,000 or so a year, population is 325 million) . Even over-estimating the number of murders in Chicago to be 1,000 only changes the rate to 4.9.
So your claim that Belgium has a higher murder rate per 100,000 is wrong.

Even looking at just firearms deaths in the US, the figure is believed to be around 3.5 per 100,000 . So even after removing Chicago's firearm fatalities from that, you end up with a rate of 3 per 100k - still higher than the total murder rate in Belgium.
I love his supposition, that if you ignore a large number of the murders, then the number of murders per capita goes down smile

The murder rate in our house is 0 per 4 ! beat that !

Ructions

Original Poster:

4,705 posts

120 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Halb said:
this is one of those thread when I see it pop up on my stuff, I wonder how many have died this time.
Baltimore a city with a population of roughly 600,000 is averaging roughly a murder a day and it’s only the sixth most violent city in the US. We just don’t hear about these things.

Byker28i

58,822 posts

216 months

Saturday 16th February 2019
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Gary C said:
I love his supposition, that if you ignore a large number of the murders, then the number of murders per capita goes down smile

The murder rate in our house is 0 per 4 ! beat that !
I don't see how he can argue the figures. The gun deaths are the highest in 20 years

A steady rise in suicides involving firearms has pushed the rate of gun deaths in the US to its highest rate in more than 20 years, with almost 40,000 people killed in shootings in 2017, according to new figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC’s Wonder database shows that in 2017, 39,773 people in the US lost their lives at the point of a gun, marking the onward march of firearm fatalities in a country renowned for its lax approach to gun controls. When adjusted for age fluctuations, that represents a total of 12 deaths per 100,000 people – up from 10.1 in 2010 and the highest rate since 1996.

What that bare statistic represents in terms of human tragedy is most starkly reflected when set alongside those of other countries. According to a recent study from the Jama Network, it compares with rates of 0.2 deaths per 100,000 people in Japan, 0.3 in the UK, 0.9 in Germany and 2.1 in Canada.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/13/us...