The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
Discussion
Ian Geary said:
There's a lot of reference to the power of the NRA
But one article I read said they spent $5million in 2021 on campaigns
Surely that's peanuts when it comes to USA politics?
To have Republicans in their pocket must surely cost more than that?
Unless it isn't just about the NRA, and is more ingrained? Tbh gun laws are just another lense through which republicans make themselves look a bunch of cretins.
The NRA 'went through some things' as a result of serial fraud on the part of executive officers buying themselves houses, holidays, wardrobes full of clothes and away days on private jets on the company credit card. In 2016 the NRA spooged $30m on Trump's election alone, from a total of $140m spent on lobbying and electioneering.But one article I read said they spent $5million in 2021 on campaigns
Surely that's peanuts when it comes to USA politics?
To have Republicans in their pocket must surely cost more than that?
Unless it isn't just about the NRA, and is more ingrained? Tbh gun laws are just another lense through which republicans make themselves look a bunch of cretins.
MC Bodge said:
captain_cynic said:
Power isn't just in money. Especially political power. The NRA has enormous sway over it's members in encouraging them who to vote for. The "they're coming for your guns" trope is great for encouraging fear amongst the stupid and weak.
It has become one of the pillars of "the (regressive) right" in the culture wars. Edited by hidetheelephants on Thursday 26th May 20:56
Petrus1983 said:
They have used the same headline dozens of time, only the pictures of the dead change We have been through this many times on this thread. The AR is not really any different to any other semi automatic rifle. Its .223 / 5.56 ammo is not even that potent in terms of rifles.
They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
Castrol for a knave said:
What exactly are the 2nd Amendment gun nuts protecting themselves from? The British went home over 200 years ago.
There is no existential threat. It is all in their tiny minds.
......
The 2A fanbois always forget about the "well regulated militia" part to justify having more guns than most armies, and I'm not talking about Meal Team 6. Well regulated militias don't murder kids There is no existential threat. It is all in their tiny minds.
......
gotoPzero said:
We have been through this many times on this thread. The AR is not really any different to any other semi automatic rifle. Its .223 / 5.56 ammo is not even that potent in terms of rifles.
They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
I'll repeat this again and again and again. It's doable. The UK did it, Australia did it. They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
You licence, you register, you have proper checks, and you limit ownership of types of weapons, using buyback to remove weapons
kowalski655 said:
Castrol for a knave said:
What exactly are the 2nd Amendment gun nuts protecting themselves from? The British went home over 200 years ago.
There is no existential threat. It is all in their tiny minds.
......
The 2A fanbois always forget about the "well regulated militia" part to justify having more guns than most armies, and I'm not talking about Meal Team 6. Well regulated militias don't murder kids There is no existential threat. It is all in their tiny minds.
......
Byker28i said:
Ted Cruz walks away from being challenged
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/152972961430990...
Off to check the next flight time for Cancunhttps://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/152972961430990...
Byker28i said:
gotoPzero said:
We have been through this many times on this thread. The AR is not really any different to any other semi automatic rifle. Its .223 / 5.56 ammo is not even that potent in terms of rifles.
They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
I'll repeat this again and again and again. It's doable. The UK did it, Australia did it. They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
You licence, you register, you have proper checks, and you limit ownership of types of weapons, using buyback to remove weapons
hidetheelephants said:
kowalski655 said:
Castrol for a knave said:
What exactly are the 2nd Amendment gun nuts protecting themselves from? The British went home over 200 years ago.
There is no existential threat. It is all in their tiny minds.
......
The 2A fanbois always forget about the "well regulated militia" part to justify having more guns than most armies, and I'm not talking about Meal Team 6. Well regulated militias don't murder kids There is no existential threat. It is all in their tiny minds.
......
gotoPzero said:
Byker28i said:
gotoPzero said:
We have been through this many times on this thread. The AR is not really any different to any other semi automatic rifle. Its .223 / 5.56 ammo is not even that potent in terms of rifles.
They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
I'll repeat this again and again and again. It's doable. The UK did it, Australia did it. They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
They are almost never used by criminals.
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Just how you get them all back I have no clue, given the millions in the hands of criminals are impossible to trace plus the millions legally owned that are not registered.... thats the issue here.
You licence, you register, you have proper checks, and you limit ownership of types of weapons, using buyback to remove weapons
The US has a serious issue with the glorification of violence and the fetishization of weapons. If they start to tackle those problems, gun control will become the natural consequence of a changing attitude to firearms.
The reason the changes and buyback worked in the UK and Australia was because after a traumatic event, the nation realised that it's attitude needed to change. The same can happen in the US as well. Is happening in the US, but slowly.
Again, that is no excuse for not starting, definitely no excuse for not trying harder.
Edited by captain_cynic on Thursday 26th May 21:42
Ron johnson, who has received I've $1m from the NRA running from questions
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
captain_cynic said:
That is no excuse for not starting.
The US has a serious issue with the glorification of violence and the fetishization of weapons. If they start to tackle those problems, gun control will become the natural consequence of a changing attitude to firearms.
The reason the changes and buyback worked in the UK and Australia was because after a traumatic event, the nation realised that it's attitude needed to change. The same can happen in the US as well. Is happening in the US, but slowly.
Again, that is no excuse for not starting, definitely no excuse for not trying harder.
Agreed. It needs to start somewhere.The US has a serious issue with the glorification of violence and the fetishization of weapons. If they start to tackle those problems, gun control will become the natural consequence of a changing attitude to firearms.
The reason the changes and buyback worked in the UK and Australia was because after a traumatic event, the nation realised that it's attitude needed to change. The same can happen in the US as well. Is happening in the US, but slowly.
Again, that is no excuse for not starting, definitely no excuse for not trying harder.
The simplistic and often downright stupid rhetoric from the pro-gun "freedom" spokespeople is embarrassing.
gotoPzero said:
The AR is not really any different to any other semi automatic rifle.
gotoPzero said:
They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
gotoPzero said:
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Some "interesting" mental gymnastics going on here."A is really not that different to B"
"B isn't even the most popular gun in mass shootings"
"You should really worry about C"
The thing is, AR-15 pattern semi-automatic rifles are actually the most popular weapons for mass shootings. They are MASSIVELY overrepresented when it comes to mass casualty shooting incidents in the US.
About thirty percent of recent US mass shootings resulting in four or more fatalities have involved AR-15 pattern rifles. There's only around 10 million AR-15 pattern rifles in the US, top estimate, compared to 72 million handguns and 76 million rifles generally.
AR-15 type rifles comprise circa 15% of all rifles in circulation in the US, yet account for about 85% of mass shootings involving rifles. They're approximately four times as likely to be used in a mass shooting as handguns in general- not a specific pattern, or calibre, or type, of handgun, but handguns overall.
kowalski655 said:
Byker28i said:
Ted Cruz walks away from being challenged
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/152972961430990...
Off to check the next flight time for Cancunhttps://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/152972961430990...
This has happened far too many times (once is more than enough).
I'm sick of hopes and prayers from those that defend their gun culture. Those words mean nothing when coming from these people.
kowalski655 said:
Petrus1983 said:
They have used the same headline dozens of time, only the pictures of the dead change HM-2 said:
gotoPzero said:
The AR is not really any different to any other semi automatic rifle.
gotoPzero said:
They are not even the most popular gun used in mass shootings.
gotoPzero said:
If you really, really want to do something about gun deaths in the USA ban all handguns.
Some "interesting" mental gymnastics going on here."A is really not that different to B"
"B isn't even the most popular gun in mass shootings"
"You should really worry about C"
The thing is, AR-15 pattern semi-automatic rifles are actually the most popular weapons for mass shootings. They are MASSIVELY overrepresented when it comes to mass casualty shooting incidents in the US.
About thirty percent of recent US mass shootings resulting in four or more fatalities have involved AR-15 pattern rifles. There's only around 10 million AR-15 pattern rifles in the US, top estimate, compared to 72 million handguns and 76 million rifles generally.
AR-15 type rifles comprise circa 15% of all rifles in circulation in the US, yet account for about 85% of mass shootings involving rifles. They're approximately four times as likely to be used in a mass shooting as handguns in general- not a specific pattern, or calibre, or type, of handgun, but handguns overall.
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