Nigel Farage - pay docked for cheating on his Euro expenses
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
Given the club he is in, I continue to be surprised by his choice of words and personal insults in a public forum. When I was a nipper, his profession commanded respect. How things change.
PS....you'd better shut up now, or he'll be chasing you with nasty emails. I know these things..
Bring it on, he is on record PS....you'd better shut up now, or he'll be chasing you with nasty emails. I know these things..
The Dangerous Elk said:
Dindoit said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Alleged, he has contested the announcement and the possible bias of the committee.
Not alleged. Guilty of being a grubby thief. The result is half his salary is being docked.The Eu is not very good at even signing off its own accounts and has a massive problem with detail and recording its expenditure, even the pay of MEP's.
Just because this supports your wish (being against Farage) it cannot be accepted in any way that the Eu accounting methods are either robust or accurate.
Personally, I hope the dick gets caught. I believe he brought the Leave campaign into disrepute many times. Any judgment finally proven on him does not say anything about the correctness of leaving the Socialist project that is masquerading as Eu.
This would seem to suggest you're incorrect - https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-b... .
rscott said:
Evidence for the claim in bold please?
This would seem to suggest you're incorrect - https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-b... .
hardly conclusive is itThis would seem to suggest you're incorrect - https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-b... .
The Dangerous Elk said:
rscott said:
Evidence for the claim in bold please?
This would seem to suggest you're incorrect - https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-b... .
hardly conclusive is itThis would seem to suggest you're incorrect - https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-b... .
fullfact said:
In the most recent year, they found a significant part of the EU’s spending was largely error-free for the first time.
If that's not a ringing endorsement, I don't know what is The Dangerous Elk said:
Farage has the absolute right to appeal to the European court of justice.
Oh, the irony.The Dangerous Elk said:
In fact two other investigations into Ukip MEPs were recently closed without any action.
That would seem to shoot down the "inherently biased" suggestions, n'est-ce pas?amusingduck said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
rscott said:
Evidence for the claim in bold please?
This would seem to suggest you're incorrect - https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-b... .
hardly conclusive is itThis would seem to suggest you're incorrect - https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-b... .
fullfact said:
In the most recent year, they found a significant part of the EU’s spending was largely error-free for the first time.
If that's not a ringing endorsement, I don't know what is fullfact said:
The numbers accurately reflect what’s actually happened—it’s just that some of it shouldn’t have happened in the first place.
which is pretty horrific really In a business environment people would be potentially looking at court cases...
I guess people aren't getting all the way to the last section...
FullFact said:
It’s not all the EU’s fault, and it gets some of the money back
While the EU is ultimately responsible for its own budget, the majority of the spending is implemented by member countries. Both the EU and member states make similar amounts of error.
In the UK’s case, the Public Accounts Committee has criticised the government for designing programmes which add to the complexity of EU spending, and showing a “distinct lack of urgency” in tackling that complexity and reducing the penalties the UK needs to pay back to the EU.
It can take the EU several years to make corrections to the money paid out in error. It estimates that between 2009 and 2015 it recovered just over 2% of the average payments.
While the EU is ultimately responsible for its own budget, the majority of the spending is implemented by member countries. Both the EU and member states make similar amounts of error.
In the UK’s case, the Public Accounts Committee has criticised the government for designing programmes which add to the complexity of EU spending, and showing a “distinct lack of urgency” in tackling that complexity and reducing the penalties the UK needs to pay back to the EU.
It can take the EU several years to make corrections to the money paid out in error. It estimates that between 2009 and 2015 it recovered just over 2% of the average payments.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Any judgment finally proven on him does not say anything about the correctness of leaving the Socialist project that is masquerading as Eu.
The Socialist project which has, at it's core, the most capitalist concept of all - free and fair movement of trade, goods and people.oyster said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Any judgment finally proven on him does not say anything about the correctness of leaving the Socialist project that is masquerading as Eu.
The Socialist project which has, at it's core, the most capitalist concept of all - the free and fair movement of trade, goods and people..................PurpleMoonlight said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
and people who have no control over those that dictate their lives and manipulate their society. No thanks, you can keep your 1984 (fake capitalist) socialist utopia.
Have you stopped taking the pills again?
The Dangerous Elk said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Have you stopped taking the pills again?
no need, unlike you I am not suffering mental blindness to who and what the Eu is about.Your dislike (I use that word as less emotive than prejudice) of the EU does appear to be clouding your judgement though. Farage has been investigated and found to have misappropriated/misused EU funds. His salary is being docked to repay this. How is this any different to me (or you) being investigated at work for misconduct? If I (or you) are found guilty then we can expect some sort of sanction. Our employers don't have to take us to court to make this decision or apply the sanction. We may feel our employer is prejudiced against (or dislike) us as you appear to believe with Farage and the EU. It is up to us to demonstrate this prejudice/dislike during the investigation. If we believe we are right but the decision goes against us we have recourse to take the matter to a court/tribunal. Same applies to Farage. Just because he hasn't taken it 'all the way' doesn't mean he isn't guilty. Would you suggest that someone found guilty of nicking from Tesco is innocent because he doesn't take the case to the House of Lords?
Shifty bloke has been investigated and found to have done wrong. MY belief is that the investigation is sound. I may be wrong. In any event, Farage has the opportunity to take the case further and prove his innocence. Can't see the problem with it I'm afraid.
The Dangerous Elk said:
and people who have no control over those that dictate their lives and manipulate their society.
Not this s
t again...Voting representatives:
Westminster: MPs (elected by public)
EU: MEPs (elected by public)
Ministers:
Westminster: Ministers (all appointed, and portfolios allocated, by head of government)
EU: Commissioners (1 appointed by each head of member government, portfolios voted by elected representatives)
Head of government:
Westminster: PM (appointed by majority party)
EU: President of Commission (proposed by heads of member governments, voted by elected representatives)
TooMany2cvs said:
Not this st again...
Voting representatives:
Westminster: MPs (elected by public)
EU: MEPs (elected by public)
Ministers:
Westminster: Ministers (all appointed, and portfolios allocated, by head of government)
EU: Commissioners (1 appointed by each head of member government, portfolios voted by elected representatives)
Head of government:
Westminster: PM (appointed by majority party)
EU: President of Commission (proposed by heads of member governments, voted by elected representatives)
Simplistc and ignores the way the systems work, god help democracy.t again...Voting representatives:
Westminster: MPs (elected by public)
EU: MEPs (elected by public)
Ministers:
Westminster: Ministers (all appointed, and portfolios allocated, by head of government)
EU: Commissioners (1 appointed by each head of member government, portfolios voted by elected representatives)
Head of government:
Westminster: PM (appointed by majority party)
EU: President of Commission (proposed by heads of member governments, voted by elected representatives)
The Dangerous Elk said:
Dindoit said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Any judgment finally proven on him
The final judgement has been done. It’s over. He’s guilty. He’s losing half his salary.In other news Charles Bronson is appealing his conviction. See how this works?
Until his appeal is won I can call him a grubby little thief, legally.
The Dangerous Elk said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Not this st again...
Voting representatives:
Westminster: MPs (elected by public)
EU: MEPs (elected by public)
Ministers:
Westminster: Ministers (all appointed, and portfolios allocated, by head of government)
EU: Commissioners (1 appointed by each head of member government, portfolios voted by elected representatives)
Head of government:
Westminster: PM (appointed by majority party)
EU: President of Commission (proposed by heads of member governments, voted by elected representatives)
Simplistc and ignores the way the systems work, god help democracy.t again...Voting representatives:
Westminster: MPs (elected by public)
EU: MEPs (elected by public)
Ministers:
Westminster: Ministers (all appointed, and portfolios allocated, by head of government)
EU: Commissioners (1 appointed by each head of member government, portfolios voted by elected representatives)
Head of government:
Westminster: PM (appointed by majority party)
EU: President of Commission (proposed by heads of member governments, voted by elected representatives)
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