Nigel Farage - pay docked for cheating on his Euro expenses
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Dindoit said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Dindoit said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Any judgment finally proven on him
The final judgement has been done. It’s over. He’s guilty. He’s losing half his salary.In other news Charles Bronson is appealing his conviction. See how this works?
Until his appeal is won I can call him a grubby little thief, legally.
Is that what he's been accused of doing? If so, surely the EU authorities would alert the appropriate authorities and hand over the evidence if such criminal offences.
Hasn't he been found to have paid a full time assitant and the EU panel failed to find evidence that the recipient of that salary was not providing full time assistance to Farage?
That isn't theft. It looks like a breach of EU expenses rules.
Or have I misread the article?
johnfm said:
Thief? That implies he stole something.
Is that what he's been accused of doing? If so, surely the EU authorities would alert the appropriate authorities and hand over the evidence if such criminal offences.
Hasn't he been found to have paid a full time assitant and the EU panel failed to find evidence that the recipient of that salary was not providing full time assistance to Farage?
That isn't theft. It looks like a breach of EU expenses rules.
Or have I misread the article?
Should have spent it on coke and hookers.Is that what he's been accused of doing? If so, surely the EU authorities would alert the appropriate authorities and hand over the evidence if such criminal offences.
Hasn't he been found to have paid a full time assitant and the EU panel failed to find evidence that the recipient of that salary was not providing full time assistance to Farage?
That isn't theft. It looks like a breach of EU expenses rules.
Or have I misread the article?
The Dangerous Elk said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Of course. Any fact that challenges the preconception must be disparaged.
Is it a fact the Eu structure of governance and law making is different to the Uk Parliamentary structure ?The UK's structure is unique, just as most structures are. Does that mean only the UK is "democratic"?
johnfm said:
Thief? That implies he stole something.
Is that what he's been accused of doing? If so, surely the EU authorities would alert the appropriate authorities and hand over the evidence if such criminal offences.
Hasn't he been found to have paid a full time assitant and the EU panel failed to find evidence that the recipient of that salary was not providing full time assistance to Farage?
That isn't theft. It looks like a breach of EU expenses rules.
Or have I misread the article?
He took money from the EU (i.e. our money) to pay for a UKIP employee that had nothing to do with his “activities” (snort) as an MEP.Is that what he's been accused of doing? If so, surely the EU authorities would alert the appropriate authorities and hand over the evidence if such criminal offences.
Hasn't he been found to have paid a full time assitant and the EU panel failed to find evidence that the recipient of that salary was not providing full time assistance to Farage?
That isn't theft. It looks like a breach of EU expenses rules.
Or have I misread the article?
The person getting the money was UKIP’s National Nominating Officer, whatever that entails.
Dindoit said:
He took money from the EU (i.e. our money) to pay for a UKIP employee that had nothing to do with his “activities” (snort) as an MEP.
The person getting the money was UKIP’s National Nominating Officer, whatever that entails.
‘Nothing to do with’ or just not a full time role, as required?The person getting the money was UKIP’s National Nominating Officer, whatever that entails.
TooMany2cvs said:
Does "different" somehow inherently mean "undemocratic" and "worse", or just "different"?
The UK's structure is unique, just as most structures are. Does that mean only the UK is "democratic"?
What it means is that I do not like, respect or trust their system to deliver it fairly without the necessary elector choice on direction or leadership.The UK's structure is unique, just as most structures are. Does that mean only the UK is "democratic"?
As for democratic, it is so diluted and remote that No, I do not think it is so. The weight of "wish for change" cannot be applied by one nation, I do not accept the devaluation of the sovereign state in favour of Eu central power.
Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Tuesday 16th January 17:19
IroningMan said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
and people who have no control over those that dictate their lives and manipulate their society. No thanks, you can keep your 1984 (fake capitalist) socialist utopia.
How come our own pet Socialists Corbyn et al want out of it, then?
The Dangerous Elk said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Does "different" somehow inherently mean "undemocratic" and "worse", or just "different"?
The UK's structure is unique, just as most structures are. Does that mean only the UK is "democratic"?
What it means is that I do not like, respect or trust their system to deliver it fairly without the nessasay elector choice on direction or leadership.The UK's structure is unique, just as most structures are. Does that mean only the UK is "democratic"?
Three reasons:
1. PR means your vote stands more of a chance of being represented.
2. Simple weight - your vote counts towards a much greater %age of EU voting weight. My vote counts towards 7 of 750 MEPs - 0.93% - but only towards 1 of 650 MPs - .15%
3. All MEPs get a vote on which portfolios ministers get (and can veto them) and who the head of government is.
Whether you "like" it or not is, frankly, utterly irrelevant... I suspect that you're working backwards from a preconception, and not actually considering the reality.
The Dangerous Elk said:
oyster said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Any judgment finally proven on him does not say anything about the correctness of leaving the Socialist project that is masquerading as Eu.
The Socialist project which has, at it's core, the most capitalist concept of all - the free and fair movement of trade, goods and people..................I'm all in favour of better democracy and control. I just don't see how restricting immigration by artificial constructs like national borders is anything other than protectionist and goes against capitalism.
I don't care whether my team are recruited from Surrey or Senegal, I just want the best team.
IroningMan said:
They certainly want to dictate our lives - perhaps they don't like the idea of the EU limiting their ability to do so.
But that also applies to the far right of the conservative party too - and the lunatics further right still.
I remember watching a news interview given by arch Eurosceptic (as they were called in those days) Teddy Taylor. He explained why he was against whatever it was that he was against that week by saying, and I quote: "This will reduce the power of the UK parliament to that of a mere County Council."
I thought at the time that those remarks clearly gave the game away over who he thought should be in charge of people's lives - the central government and absolutely nobody else.
No appeal -no higher authority - do what you're told by Big Brother or suffer the consequences
oyster said:
That's a different point entirely.
I'm all in favour of better democracy and control. I just don't see how restricting immigration by artificial constructs like national borders is anything other than protectionist and goes against capitalism.
I don't care whether my team are recruited from Surrey or Senegal, I just want the best team.
Really, and if so many come in that your wages are deflated, happy then ?I'm all in favour of better democracy and control. I just don't see how restricting immigration by artificial constructs like national borders is anything other than protectionist and goes against capitalism.
I don't care whether my team are recruited from Surrey or Senegal, I just want the best team.
The keywords are "Needed" and "Controlled", it has bugger all to do with the source. However, the Eu restricts the source.
rs1952 said:
No appeal -no higher authority - do what you're told by Big Brother or suffer the consequences
Or vote them out.......oh wait !Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Tuesday 16th January 18:13
The Dangerous Elk said:
oyster said:
That's a different point entirely.
I'm all in favour of better democracy and control. I just don't see how restricting immigration by artificial constructs like national borders is anything other than protectionist and goes against capitalism.
I don't care whether my team are recruited from Surrey or Senegal, I just want the best team.
Really, and if so many come in that your wages are deflated, happy then ?I'm all in favour of better democracy and control. I just don't see how restricting immigration by artificial constructs like national borders is anything other than protectionist and goes against capitalism.
I don't care whether my team are recruited from Surrey or Senegal, I just want the best team.
The keywords are "Needed" and "Controlled", it has bugger all to do with the source. However, the Eu restricts the source.
rs1952 said:
No appeal -no higher authority - do what you're told by Big Brother or suffer the consequences
Or vote them out.......oh wait !Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Tuesday 16th January 18:13
oyster said:
Sounds like you are in favour of restricting competition to maintain wage levels. That's socialist economic policy 101.
How you got there I do not know, think again when you have put the lego away Hint:
Needed = All Jobs filled, not needed / Lots of jobs unfilled = needed
Developing tech = Needed + training Uk / Old industy contracting = Not Needed
rs1952 said:
IroningMan said:
They certainly want to dictate our lives - perhaps they don't like the idea of the EU limiting their ability to do so.
But that also applies to the far right of the conservative party too - and the lunatics further right still.
I remember watching a news interview given by arch Eurosceptic (as they were called in those days) Teddy Taylor. He explained why he was against whatever it was that he was against that week by saying, and I quote: "This will reduce the power of the UK parliament to that of a mere County Council."
I thought at the time that those remarks clearly gave the game away over who he thought should be in charge of people's lives - the central government and absolutely nobody else.
No appeal -no higher authority - do what you're told by Big Brother or suffer the consequences
The Dangerous Elk said:
rs1952 said:
No appeal -no higher authority - do what you're told by Big Brother or suffer the consequences
Or vote them out.......oh wait !Try reading 2CV's post again - he has already explained to you in detail how the EU is just as democratic as the UK parliament - this "ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels" Hare Krishna style chant is utter bullshyte and should be treated as such.
Unfortunatey the UK population has for many years seen the EU elections as some sort of inconsequential joke. That's why they have kept voting for tossers in UKIP in the EU elections who do f
k all except milk the system for all the cash they can (back on topic here) and then complain that the UK voters aren't being listed to.Of course they're not - they keep electing usuless tossers to the EU parliament.
This could get a bit circular if I'm not careful...
rs1952 said:
You have an unfortunate habit of not taking a blind bit of notice of anyone who doesn't reinforce your prejudices.
Try reading 2CV's post again - he has already explained to you in detail how the EU is just as democratic as the UK parliament - this "ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels" Hare Krishna style chant is utter bullshyte and should be treated as such.
Unfortunatey the UK population has for many years seen the EU elections as some sort of inconsequential joke. That's why they have kept voting for tossers in UKIP in the EU elections who do fk all except milk the system for all the cash they can (back on topic here) and then complain that the UK voters aren't being listed to.
Of course they're not - they keep electing usuless tossers to the EU parliament.
This could get a bit circular if I'm not careful...
Listed.......usuless ? Try reading 2CV's post again - he has already explained to you in detail how the EU is just as democratic as the UK parliament - this "ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels" Hare Krishna style chant is utter bullshyte and should be treated as such.
Unfortunatey the UK population has for many years seen the EU elections as some sort of inconsequential joke. That's why they have kept voting for tossers in UKIP in the EU elections who do f
k all except milk the system for all the cash they can (back on topic here) and then complain that the UK voters aren't being listed to.Of course they're not - they keep electing usuless tossers to the EU parliament.
This could get a bit circular if I'm not careful...
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