Nigel Farage - pay docked for cheating on his Euro expenses

[Jockman]

IroningMan said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

and people who have no control over those that dictate their lives and manipulate their society. No thanks, you can keep your 1984 (fake capitalist) socialist utopia.

How come our own pet Socialists Corbyn et al want out of it, then?

The EU is not socialist. Breadvan is correct.

[The Dangerous Elk]

rs1952 said:

You have an unfortunate habit of not taking a blind bit of notice of anyone who doesn't reinforce your prejudices.

Try reading 2CV's post again - he has already explained to you in detail how the EU is just as democratic as the UK parliament - this "ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels" Hare Krishna style chant is utter bullshyte and should be treated as such.

Unfortunatey the UK population has for many years seen the EU elections as some sort of inconsequential joke. That's why they have kept voting for tossers in UKIP in the EU elections who do fk all except milk the system for all the cash they can (back on topic here) and then complain that the UK voters aren't being listed to.

Of course they're not - they keep electing usuless tossers to the EU parliament.

This could get a bit circular if I'm not careful...

Only circular because I disagree, it is you who cannot take people having an opposing view to yours which I hate to tell you is my right (and yours), hence we have votes in elections.

[anonymous-user]

‘’NIGEL FARAGE - PAY DOCKED FOR CHEATING ON HIS EURO EXPENSES’’
Good

[The Dangerous Elk]

Jimboka said:

‘’NIGEL FARAGE - PAY DOCKED FOR CHEATING ON HIS EURO EXPENSES’’
Good

Thanks for that

[powerstroke]

rs1952 said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

rs1952 said:

No appeal -no higher authority - do what you're told by Big Brother or suffer the consequences

Or vote them out.......oh wait !

You have an unfortunate habit of not taking a blind bit of notice of anyone who doesn't reinforce your prejudices.

Try reading 2CV's post again - he has already explained to you in detail how the EU is just as democratic as the UK parliament - this "ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels" Hare Krishna style chant is utter bullshyte and should be treated as such.

Unfortunatey the UK population has for many years seen the EU elections as some sort of inconsequential joke. That's why they have kept voting for tossers in UKIP in the EU elections who do fk all except milk the system for all the cash they can (back on topic here) and then complain that the UK voters aren't being listed to.

Of course they're not - they keep electing usuless tossers to the EU parliament.

This could get a bit circular if I'm not careful...

Do you and 2cv think if you say something often enough it becomes fact ??
WHAT EU directives can we ignore ???with EU membership we are NOT a sovereign nation we canot make our own rules regulations or laws , trade with anyone without following EU rules on tax and duties ..... so stop telling porkies you pair of quislings...
And if you think we see the EU elections as a joke and that's why we voted UKIP well that
confirms how daft you are , say what you like they have worked hard to free us ..
Love Europe hate the EU ...

[TooMany2cvs]

powerstroke said:

WHAT EU directives can we ignore ???with EU membership we are NOT a sovereign nation we canot make our own rules regulations or laws , trade with anyone without following EU rules on tax and duties ..... so stop telling porkies you pair of quislings...

Is it just the EU you have a beef with, or are you as solidly against any and all supranational organisations?

powerstroke said:

And if you think we see the EU elections as a joke and that's why we voted UKIP well that
confirms how daft you are , say what you like they have worked hard to free us ..

Mmm. The UKIP MEPs work SOOOO hard at the jobs they campaigned to do. Remind me, don't they effectively dilute the UK's voting strength by a third, since they can't even be arsed to actually vote? The one bit of the job they take seriously is the salary.

[The Dangerous Elk]

TooMany2cvs said:

Mmm. The UKIP MEPs work SOOOO hard at the jobs they campaigned to do. Remind me, don't they effectively dilute the UK's voting strength by a third, since they can't even be arsed to actually vote? The one bit of the job they take seriously is the salary.

Try asking Nick Clegg about his voting record, is he doing the Job the voters of his constituency ? or was he given the job of trying to subvert Brexit ? Laughable double standards by A remainer again.

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Try asking Nick Clegg about his voting record, is he doing the Job the voters of his constituency ? or was he given the job of trying to subvert Brexit ? Laughable double standards by A remainer again.

eh?

[The Dangerous Elk]

desolate said:

eh?

Hint, accusations about NF's voting record.

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

desolate said:

eh?

Hint, accusations about NF's voting record.

Nick Clegg doesn't have a constituency.

[mx5nut]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Try asking Nick Clegg about his voting record, is he doing the Job the voters of his constituency ?

Er, who's going to tell him?

[The Dangerous Elk]

he did....don't be simple

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

he did....don't be simple

edit your post so it makes then.

will leave you to it.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Nope, but I should have used -was he- rather than- is- I agree (and ii is late )

[PurpleMoonlight]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Hint, accusations about NF's voting record.

His voting record, or lack thereof, is a matter of fact not an accusation.

Or are you claiming the EU fabricated them?

[mx5nut]

PurpleMoonlight said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

Hint, accusations about NF's voting record.

His voting record, or lack thereof, is a matter of fact not an accusation.

Or are you claiming the EU fabricated them?

Some Brexiteers do struggle with facts. This seems to be one of those times.

[The Dangerous Elk]

PurpleMoonlight said:

His voting record, or lack thereof, is a matter of fact not an accusation.

Or are you claiming the EU fabricated them?

I have never questioned his voting record which is very poor, as are those of other UKip MEP.
It is not however as bad as a good number of MPs including the record of N.Clegg's when he was in the HoC is all I said.

mx5nut said:

Another unless and pointless post from MX5

[TooMany2cvs]

The Dangerous Elk said:

I have never questioned his voting record which is very poor, as are those of other UKip MEP, it is not however as bad as a good number of MPs including the record of N.Clegg's when he was in the HoC is all I said.

You're right. BUT...

Farage, over his entire time in the European Parliament, has a voting record of 37.8%
https://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-nigel-farage-2.h...

Clegg's voting record across all three terms was 31.9%
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=nick_clegg

BUT... his record before government was 42.5%. Members of government have an inherently contradictory dual role - they're both trying to run the government and represent their constituents. That inevitably takes its toll.

It's not a party thing, either.
Cameron's record whilst in No10 was even lower.
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=david_came...
Brown?
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=gordon_bro...
Blair?
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=tony_blair
Nor is it restricted to the front bench...
Carswell?
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=douglas_ca...

Farage, of course, has never been anything more than a "back bencher" - not least because one of the differences between Westminster and the European Parliament is that that dualism doesn't exist. "Ministers" aren't also MEPs. Perhaps it would make sense to replicate that in the UK, to ensure elected representatives can do the job they were actually elected to do, without that distraction...?

[rscott]

The Dangerous Elk said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

His voting record, or lack thereof, is a matter of fact not an accusation.

Or are you claiming the EU fabricated them?

I have never questioned his voting record which is very poor, as are those of other UKip MEP.
It is not however as bad as a good number of MPs including the record of N.Clegg's when he was in the HoC is all I said.

Clegg's record wasn't as bad as Cameron's though.
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publ...
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publ...

Would you agree that Farage's voting record is pretty poor?

[The Dangerous Elk]

rscott said:

Clegg's record wasn't as bad as Cameron's though.
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publ...
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publ...

Would you agree that Farage's voting record is pretty poor?

Hell yes, the man is a disgrace (when have I said otherwise) to the roll of MEP