Momentum finally takes control of Labour

Momentum finally takes control of Labour

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The Dangerous Elk

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4,642 posts

76 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Momentum finally takes control of Labour (BBC)

Jon Lansman, the founder of the Corbyn-supporting Momentum group which wants more grassroots say over policy, was among three new members elected. He hailed the result as a victory for "21st Century socialism".

Other Momentum candidates, Yasmine Dar and Rachel Garnham, were voted in.

How will the Uk see a fully Marxist opposition ?
Are any "soft red" MPs safe in their seats now ?

EdJ

1,284 posts

194 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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Surely now is the time for the Blairites to set up a new party. Without Blair’s involvement of course.

Murph7355

37,646 posts

255 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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EdJ said:
Surely now is the time for the Blairites to set up a new party. Without Blair’s involvement of course.
To what end?

All I could see that doing is fragmenting the Labour vote.

Something may have to give at some point, but I don't see them doing this until after the next GE at least...at which point either they get in as part of a Corbyn govt, which might clip some of Momentum's excesses when reality bites. Or Corbyn loses the GE and the softer side start to reclaim the party?

The Dangerous Elk

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4,642 posts

76 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Starting a new party, splitting the vote away from Corbyn and his fellow Marxists would be a service to the country, do they (the soft Labour ones) have the moral fortitude to do this service for their country ?

johnfm

13,668 posts

249 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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They could call it 'New Labour'...

Quite catchy really. Just need a charismatic, persuasive leader and an inept, economically illiterate chancellor. Throw in an alcoholic media man to handle publicity. Probably win a landslide and then things can only get better...

caelite

4,273 posts

111 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Starting a new party, splitting the vote away from Corbyn and his fellow Marxists would be a service to the country, do they (the soft Labour ones) have the moral fortitude to do this service for their country ?
In my opinion I don't think it'd make a massive difference, there are plenty of other moderate parties in the UK, Particularly the regional parties, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are strong in their regions due to their central economic policies. Lib Dem has always been around as the more moderate option, offering protection from the more abrasive parts of conservative and labour idealisms.

Wombat3

11,962 posts

205 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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caelite said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Starting a new party, splitting the vote away from Corbyn and his fellow Marxists would be a service to the country, do they (the soft Labour ones) have the moral fortitude to do this service for their country ?
In my opinion I don't think it'd make a massive difference, there are plenty of other moderate parties in the UK, Particularly the regional parties, Plaid Cymru and the SNP are strong in their regions due to their central economic policies. Lib Dem has always been around as the more moderate option, offering protection from the more abrasive parts of conservative and labour idealisms.
Dunno about that. Corbyn is actually being propped up by grass roots/lifetime labour voters (and not necessarily particularly left wing ones either) who just never vote any other way. Without them he'd be miles back.

They don't see the LD's as an option so they will hold their noses and continue to vote Labour unless the party splits. The LD's are a joke anyway.

The problem is that those in the Labour party that might split haven't got the cajones or the integrity to do it.

A split labour party would not necessarily mean no labour government though - it could very well end up with some kind of coalition with one of them in support of the other....

Not sure which would be worse to be honest.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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I can't see such a coalition happening tbh, not for a while anyway and certainly not in the case of an election pre 2022 should one be called.

The Labour position on Brexit is too far apart from that of the Lib Dems and the SNP; Corbyn has always been eurosceptic, I'd bet good money that he voter leave, he won't change the party line just to keep those losers happy in a coalition.

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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johnfm said:
They could call it 'New Labour'...

Quite catchy really. Just need a charismatic, persuasive leader and an inept, economically illiterate chancellor. Throw in an alcoholic media man to handle publicity. Probably win a landslide and then things can only get better...
Genuine laugh at that biggrin

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Starting a new party, splitting the vote away from Corbyn and his fellow Marxists would be a service to the country, do they (the soft Labour ones) have the moral fortitude to do this service for their country ?
Everyone wants 'others ' to pay more tax, quite who the others are is never clear. Why is Corbyn a millionaire if he's marxist? To what purpose?

Randy Winkman

16,012 posts

188 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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"Takes control"?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Going to be interesting the way the NEC goes in the next few months.

Diderot

7,263 posts

191 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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B'stard Child said:
johnfm said:
They could call it 'New Labour'...

Quite catchy really. Just need a charismatic, persuasive leader and an inept, economically illiterate chancellor. Throw in an alcoholic media man to handle publicity. Probably win a landslide and then things can only get better...
Genuine laugh at that biggrin
Me too. biggrin

Hayek

8,969 posts

207 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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EdJ said:
Surely now is the time for the Blairites to set up a new party. Without Blair’s involvement of course.
There is already a party for them to go to, it's called the Conservative party.

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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The writing has been on the wall for years, the rise of Socialism, true Socialism. It’s been talked of for years in this forum and roundly dismissed with laughter and scorn, not laughing now!
This same arrogance and denial has been displayed in the Tory ranks throughout the Country.
Nobody can say that they are surprised can they?
imo, if Corbyn is elected, and I think that this is more likely than not, this Country will be inflicted severe damage both financially and socially.

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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The writing has been on the wall for years, the rise of Socialism, true Socialism. It’s been talked of for years in this forum and roundly dismissed with laughter and scorn, not laughing now!
This same arrogance and denial has been displayed in the Tory ranks throughout the Country.
Nobody can say that they are surprised can they?
imo, if Corbyn is elected, and I think that this is more likely than not, this Country will be inflicted severe damage both financially and socially.

Oakey

27,522 posts

215 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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uh oh, crankedup's broken

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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Oakey said:
uh oh, crankedup's broken
hehe
can anybody hear Meeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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crankedup said:
The writing has been on the wall for years, the rise of Socialism, true Socialism. It’s been talked of for years in this forum and roundly dismissed with laughter and scorn, not laughing now!
This same arrogance and denial has been displayed in the Tory ranks throughout the Country.
Nobody can say that they are surprised can they?
imo, if Corbyn is elected, and I think that this is more likely than not, this Country will be inflicted severe damage both financially and socially.
The Tories want their arses kicking for the terrible job they are doing at publicising what the current labour party wants to do to the majority of normal people in the country.

If the centrist half of Labour voters and centrist half of Conservative voters are actually pretty close together in the middle of society, economics and prosperity, there's no way that any of them should be finding any succour in the current ambitions of the Labour Party, but nobody seems to have noticed.

Responsibility for that ignorance/ambivalence lies with the Tories, who should be running Corbyn and particularly McDonnell, absolutely ragged. But aren't.


Dicky Knee

1,026 posts

130 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
The Tories want their arses kicking for the terrible job they are doing at publicising what the current labour party wants to do to the majority of normal people in the country.

If the centrist half of Labour voters and centrist half of Conservative voters are actually pretty close together in the middle of society, economics and prosperity, there's no way that any of them should be finding any succour in the current ambitions of the Labour Party, but nobody seems to have noticed.

Responsibility for that ignorance/ambivalence lies with the Tories, who should be running Corbyn and particularly McDonnell, absolutely ragged. But aren't.
I think a big problem for the Tories is that Labour haven't really said what they are going to do-just vague statements; properly fund the NHS, more social care, build houses etc. Nothing to really attack them on. A good strategy from Labour's viewpoint-stand back and watch the government struggle.