Macron and Calais
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Heard on the news this morning that Macron thinks the UK should pay more and do more about the migrant situation in Calais...
I'm obviously a little partisan, but how about Macron does something about his other borders so that people don't get the opportunity to congregate in Calais?
Also found it amusing that he sees himself as the driving force in the EU now Merkel is busy at home. Never took him as the next de Gaulle. So much for him being different.
I'm obviously a little partisan, but how about Macron does something about his other borders so that people don't get the opportunity to congregate in Calais?
Also found it amusing that he sees himself as the driving force in the EU now Merkel is busy at home. Never took him as the next de Gaulle. So much for him being different.
Just another plonker. Why the hell should we shoulder the burden? As said, look at the other borders before starting with us thanks. There was one guy on the news who had been deported to Belgium a number of times now, just keeps coming back. He truly believes that he's going to come to Britain for this wonderful, happy life.
France refused him asylum 3 times, yet nothing is done to stop people like him returning and they now want to punt him on to us as they can't be arsed anymore. Disgraceful.
France refused him asylum 3 times, yet nothing is done to stop people like him returning and they now want to punt him on to us as they can't be arsed anymore. Disgraceful.
Jockman said:
Isn’t this more about making a sensible contribution to costs in order that the uk and French border is in calais rather than on t’other side of channel?
The UK has made significant contributions to date and made a rather massive investment only last year.Financing a problem in France that is one of their own making is not something UK taxpayers should have to be making.
don'tbesilly said:
Jockman said:
Isn’t this more about making a sensible contribution to costs in order that the uk and French border is in calais rather than on t’other side of channel?
The UK has made significant contributions to date and made a rather massive investment only last year.Financing a problem in France that is one of their own making is not something UK taxpayers should have to be making.
Do you think the money should be stopped?
TroubledSoul said:
Just another plonker. Why the hell should we shoulder the burden? As said, look at the other borders before starting with us thanks. There was one guy on the news who had been deported to Belgium a number of times now, just keeps coming back. He truly believes that he's going to come to Britain for this wonderful, happy life.
France refused him asylum 3 times, yet nothing is done to stop people like him returning and they now want to punt him on to us as they can't be arsed anymore. Disgraceful.
To a French taxpayer, why should they contribute so highly to keeping people in their country as a favour to us?France refused him asylum 3 times, yet nothing is done to stop people like him returning and they now want to punt him on to us as they can't be arsed anymore. Disgraceful.
Randy Winkman said:
Exactly - the issue is about people getting out of their country, same as if they were going to Belgium or Germany. Is a person that France doesn't want and who's trying the get out, Frances problem?
Of course it is. They only enter France in the first place because they perceive it as a route to where they want to be. If that route no longer exists, or is significantly tougher, perhaps they wouldn't come in the same numbers.
Randy Winkman said:
Exactly - the issue is about people getting out of their country, same as if they were going to Belgium or Germany. Is a person that France doesn't want and who's trying the get out, Frances problem?
Maybe they shouldn't have let them in to begin with? I'm pretty sure I can't just rock up at JFK airport and say "I wanted to get out of the UK, I'm going to live here now". I suspect they'd turn me straight back around and send me right back where I came from?
k 'em, we'll do what we want: British Politics 2017-18.mx5nut said:
To a French taxpayer, why should they contribute so highly to keeping people in their country as a favour to us?
True, that is what many "do-gooder types" would say, but equally that is the failing of logic made by many in the EU.Asylum seekers - the 'rules' are that they seek asylum in the first safe country of entry. That would most likely be Greece, Italy or Spain.
Any asylum seekers found in another EU member should be sent back to those initial entry points for 'processing'.
Refugees - similar to asylum seekers, they are looking for 'refuge', a safe place to stay whilst their home area is a danger. So again the entry points in to the EU, Greece, Italy, Spain etc. should 'process' them. (Refugee camps should have been set up early on).
Economic migrants - there is a visa application process within each country to manage immigration.
Illegal economic migrants - the fact that these people have broken laws and are residing illegally within the borders of a host nation should be setting off alarm bells to most - there is no 'rule' that says countries have to accept them (apart from the stuff the EU is blurting out that each member should burden the intake due to the EU's failings to secure their borders). Poland, Austria and Hungary are ignoring the EU's blurbing and rightly so.
If France chooses to ignore the fact that they have a large amount of illegal residents, they surely can not expect the UK pick up the pieces ?
If France views the illegal occupants around Calais as a problem, then they should either be handing out documents to make them official residents of France, or they should be sending them back to the first point of entry for 'processing'.
The problem as I see it, is that when countries ignore the rules and focus on portraying a humanitarian image, it causes larger problems, which then snowball in to huge problems for many.
The lack of EU border action and the opening up of the EU borders by invitation by Merkel, only served to snowball the migrant problem in to an open invitation for the entire 3rd world to make their way to Europe.
Atomic12C said:
mx5nut said:
To a French taxpayer, why should they contribute so highly to keeping people in their country as a favour to us?
The lack of EU border action and the opening up of the EU borders by invitation by Merkel, only served to snowball the migrant problem in to an open invitation for the entire 3rd world to make their way to Europe.Oakey said:
Maybe they shouldn't have let them in to begin with? I'm pretty sure I can't just rock up at JFK airport and say "I wanted to get out of the UK, I'm going to live here now". I suspect they'd turn me straight back around and send me right back where I came from?
Correct. They wouldn't expect the UK to go to huge expense to stop people from leaving in the first place, as we seem to with France.mx5nut said:
If true, this makes it just as much our fault as the French. Why should they be going to great expense keeping people in their country for our benefit again?
?Not sure where the logic of your question lies.
France has to accept that it doesn't have a sea border with the EU entry points for illegal migrants.
This is not the problem of the UK government or its citizens, more an issue of geography that France must accept.
It was Cameron who suggested in the early stages of the refugee crisis to set up refugee camps and protection zones and also to send aid to them within their own country.
The EU ignored that.
mx5nut said:
Atomic12C said:
mx5nut said:
To a French taxpayer, why should they contribute so highly to keeping people in their country as a favour to us?
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