45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
Discussion
Nanook said:
Zod said:
When the man claims to have insight because he works for the government, it is appropriate that he be tested on that.
Perhaps, but you haven't 'tested' him. You've attempted to belittle him, personally.It doesn't make you look big or clever, in my opinion, that's all.
Nanook said:
Zod said:
There is a much longer context here that you are ignoring. I don't give a toss about being big or clever. I do give a toss about someone spouting rubbish and using "I know this because I work for the Government" to back up his rubbish.
You do give a toss about someone spouting rubbish, so you retort by telling him he's a nobody, trying to belittle and insult him?Your point may be valid. I was just commenting that it's a s
t way of trying to get it across. Just an observation. I'll leave it there.Edited by Zod on Wednesday 25th April 18:42
Nanook said:
Zod said:
There is a much longer context here that you are ignoring. I don't give a toss about being big or clever. I do give a toss about someone spouting rubbish and using "I know this because I work for the Government" to back up his rubbish.
You do give a toss about someone spouting rubbish, so you retort by telling him he's a nobody, trying to belittle and insult him?Your point may be valid. I was just commenting that it's a s
t way of trying to get it across. Just an observation. I'll leave it there.
mygoldfishbowl said:
I don't keep up with this thread anymore, but I did have a quick look & couldn't see this posted.
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-to-visit-u...
It'll be good to have a great man like Trump visit our shores.
Why? And why do you think he is great?https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-to-visit-u...
It'll be good to have a great man like Trump visit our shores.
minimoog said:
I had’nt seen this from last year before. It’s a long but very interesting essay on how 4chan came about and it posits interesting theories on why Trump has a lot of support amongst its users. I commend it to you if you’ve some time to kill.
https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-k...
This is worth reading as a view into the alt-right white youth support that Trump enjoys.https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-k...
A group of middle class white boys (in the traditional sense of the word boy) who doubtless see themselves as disenfranchised and think Trump gives them a voice.
Greg66 said:
frankenstein12 said:
My primary issue as stated is with Fox news competitors stepping in to make sure Hannity was named publicly so they could go after him in a case where he was not under any suspicion of wrongdoing.
That's not quite right. First, context. Cohen's lawyer's argued that the search order obtained against him was too wide because it bit on all his papers, not just those concerning Trump. The Govt said two things: first, he wasn't acting as a lawyer but rather as a business consultant, so there could be no attorney-client privilege to protect; and secondly, who were these other clients?
Cohen's lawyers twisted and turned on the second point, trying not to name them/him/it in open court. They Cohen offered to identify the unnamed client to the Judge, and only the Judge. Lawyers for the media, who, like it or not, have an interest in open justice, which itself is something that is in the public interest, argued against that course.
At that point no one knew who the unnamed client was though.
Then the Judge rules, and out comes Hannity's name, apparently to the genuine astonishment of all present.
So it isn't right to say that the non-Fox media stepped in "to make sure Hannity was named publicly" - that suggests that they knew, before the naming, that he was the unnamed client and wanted the world to know that too, which isn't how it happened.
Secondly, Hannity's dealings are legitimately newsworthy. He has the ear of the President; his talking points become the President's talking points; he had publicly attacked in strong terms the raid on Cohen's offices, asking on his show, rhetorically "where will it end?" in the context of attorney-client privilege. Well, when he asked that, he knew exactly where it could end. His doorstep.
He's a sanctimonious bulls
t artist, and he's been caught with his trousers down. He has decried welfare claimants for years, and foreclosures under Obama, and here he is picked up foreclosed houses with Govt handouts. If you don't think going after him is legit, look at Fox News's website on a regular basis. Part of their regular content consists of sniping attacks on journalists at CNN, ABC and MSNBC. It's part of their stock in trade. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
frankenstein12 said:
I suppose thats a fair assessment. While I agree in principle they are right to argue for open legal process I dont see how Cohens other clients are of any interest in this legal matter as it is related to his relationship with Trump nobody else.
As I have also said i read the documents and I dont disagree with either the media and or judges decision in law as they were both right that Hannity should be/could be named as he was not according the Cohen/Hannitys lawyers a client and as such not subject to a/c privilege but the paranoid part of me wonders just how much the media aka CNN/ABC and their lawyers truly knew about whether Hannity was an associate of Cohens or not.
Its one of those just too convenient things to me.
No you openly said it was a CNN Cult to attack Hannity, yet it was proven no-one knew that Hannity was involved, so now you're backtracking.As I have also said i read the documents and I dont disagree with either the media and or judges decision in law as they were both right that Hannity should be/could be named as he was not according the Cohen/Hannitys lawyers a client and as such not subject to a/c privilege but the paranoid part of me wonders just how much the media aka CNN/ABC and their lawyers truly knew about whether Hannity was an associate of Cohens or not.
Its one of those just too convenient things to me.
Cohen put himself into the position by trying to protect trump docs and docs to other clients by saying he had many other clients, in the end settling on 10. Hence he was asked to name them to prove he wasn't making things up as part of his defence.
This is Hannity who continuously attacks the Clintons asking for their finances to be investigated, yet his lawyer has said:
“I doubt you would find it very surprising that most people prefer to keep their legal and personal financial issues private, Mr Hannity is no different.”
Double standards?
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 25th April 21:56
It's always amusing when Trump and Macron get together. There always seems to be this underlying tension while they smile at each other through gritted teeth...
Still find this handshake hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTT4wKqA9SA
Still find this handshake hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTT4wKqA9SA
From over a year ago, watch with subtitles, how the woman trump tried to get back to his room in Moscow, describes the story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fA8Po-0c0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fA8Po-0c0
Zod said:
You've had time to work on that since I first picked you up on this. You have gone way beyond what would be allowed if you were subject to the OSA, often saying that your comments are based on your insight from your working for the Government.You can't have it both ways: either you do have access to information, in which case you should be in trouble or you are a bulls
tter.
minimoog said:
I had’nt seen this from last year before. It’s a long but very interesting essay on how 4chan came about and it posits interesting theories on why Trump has a lot of support amongst its users. I commend it to you if you’ve some time to kill.
https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-k...
very good article, and also some very rational comments from both sideshttps://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-k...
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