45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[MC Bodge]

_dobbo_ said:

This is trotted out often on this thread, and it's fantastically dumb.

It's perfectly reasonable to think both that Trump is a bell and that peace in NK is a fantastic result.

Indeed. It seems strange that people could believe otherwise.

Admittedly, one of these is to be hoped for and the other is a certainty.

[Eric Mc]

djc206 said:

It’s a natural consequence of the dichotomy created by a two party system. We’re heading the same way now we’ve effectively lost both UKIP and the Lib Dem’s.

We have had a two party system for centuries. Having third parties that MIGHT have an influence is quite unusual.

[djc206]

Eric Mc said:

djc206 said:

It’s a natural consequence of the dichotomy created by a two party system. We’re heading the same way now we’ve effectively lost both UKIP and the Lib Dem’s.

We have had a two party system for centuries. Having third parties that MIGHT have an influence is quite unusual.

We did in the past but for the last 20 years a third party has always had a decent number of seats. The yanks have always had an us vs them situation with no middle ground choice and I see us going the same way. That we have such a far left leader of Labour probably doesn’t help as our political spectrum has been quite narrow for the last couple of decades, Corbyn changed that.

[FN2TypeR]

Eric Mc said:

djc206 said:

It’s a natural consequence of the dichotomy created by a two party system. We’re heading the same way now we’ve effectively lost both UKIP and the Lib Dem’s.

We have had a two party system for centuries. Having third parties that MIGHT have an influence is quite unusual.

The Simpsons have it nailed (46 seconds in).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chFaesfO7fQ

[anonymous-user]

djc206 said:

Eric Mc said:

Their main enjoyment of his Presidency is based on how much he upsets people. It is an interesting and worrying phenomenon to observe.

It’s a natural consequence of the dichotomy created by a two party system.

Not it isn't! It's the natural consequence of putting people in charge that have the morals of a, er, trying to think of something with low enough morals to compare to Trump and failing!!

When you put a selfish, racist, narcissistic liar in charge, politics becomes less of a "lets sort stuff out for the good of the people" and more "my dads bigger than yours" etc.....

[anonymous-user]

vonuber said:

p1stonhead said:

Byker did Trump personally slap you in the face or something? You seem to be spending an awful lot of time trawling for articles and stories to post on here!

I appreciate it, it saves me the trouble.

I also appreciate Byker's posts.

This thread is the first place I come for a round up of all Trump news.

I find it very handy.

[E24man]

Another fan of the updates and snippets here; they add colour and substance to the ongoing story of Trumps Presidency.

Could any of Trumps supporters enlighten the thread as to how they respond to the various side stories that emerge, notwithstanding the general news that Trump makes himself?

[Chimune]

Lord Marylebone said:

vonuber said:

p1stonhead said:

Byker did Trump personally slap you in the face or something? You seem to be spending an awful lot of time trawling for articles and stories to post on here!

I appreciate it, it saves me the trouble.

I also appreciate Byker's posts.

This thread is the first place I come for a round up of all Trump news.

I find it very handy.

Agreed. Thanks Byker

[Gameface]

Byker is the one who keeps the thread ticking over.

It's appreciated.

[Byker28i]

sugerbear said:

I remember a story from a couple of years back where someone identified the phone that was being used by the Donald to tweet from. It was an old Android model that was easily compromised and all the conversations could be saved and then downloaded later on.

That's if the NSA isn't already listening in on his conversations!

Edit.. and the internet provides https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/96-the-secre...

There are certain apps that identify the device the tweet was sent from, which in trumps case igives an indication if it's his, scavino, or someone else in his team.

[Byker28i]

Chimune said:

Lord Marylebone said:

vonuber said:

p1stonhead said:

Byker did Trump personally slap you in the face or something? You seem to be spending an awful lot of time trawling for articles and stories to post on here!

I appreciate it, it saves me the trouble.

I also appreciate Byker's posts.

This thread is the first place I come for a round up of all Trump news.

I find it very handy.

Agreed. Thanks Byker

Appreciated, cheers. I'm nowhere near the clever bot farms, but it's quite clever how much you can do with internet feeds and some automated intelligence.

[Byker28i]

It doesn't get better for Hannity as the media investigate his real estate links to Cohen
There are now claims he bought properties through a dealer who pleaded guilty to criminal charges in a scheme to fraudulently purchase foreclosed homes

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/384544-hannity-l...

[Byker28i]

If anyone fancies an interesting read. You've got to love the way that the put docs online.


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURTFOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v.
PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR.,
Defendant Crim. No. 17-201-1 (ABJ)
Redacted Public Version
GOVERNMENT’S MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT PAUL J. MANAFORT , JR.’S MOTION TO SUPPRESS EVIDENCE AND THE
FRUITS THEREOF RELATING TO THE SEARCH OF HIS RESIDENCE LOCATED IN ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA


https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4444994...

Another Manafort employee cooperating with the FBI... The employee gave the bureau information that helped agents secure a search warrant on Manafort's VA condo last summer

The employee further reported that Manafort previously had a drawer full of phones and electronic equipment - now this is interesting as Mannafort is accused of being a back channel for team trump to russia using a number of burner phones.

Because Mannafort is arguing against all the evidence seized, the court documents created are very revealing...

According to Newsweek, the Manafort raid was actually an attempt at gathering additional information about the Trump Tower meeting with Russian government representatives during the election. That meeting, of course, was attended by Manafort, along with Jared Kushner, but it was spearheaded from the start by Donald Trump Jr, so Mueller views the Trump Tower meeting as a criminal act, because the meeting was about dirt on Hillary Clinton, this must be seen as attempting to receive stolen goods and accepting an illegal foreign contribution of value to the campaign.
http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-raided-manafort-over-r...

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 24th April 23:31

[Byker28i]

And Michael Avenatti has dropboxed a PDF, hannity and cohen

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ya6j18fy2o8742v/Hannity....

No wonder it's taking so long for Mueller. There's just so much to go through, so many people implicated..

[frankenstein12]

What I find deeply troubling is CNN the mouthpiece of the Clintons involving themselves in this legal case to target an opposition media personality and by extension media house.

As to Cohen and dodgy dealings whatever happens happens.

[bodhi]

Escapegoat said:

You're the latest in a long line of Trump supporters to join this thread, and play the "shrieking and wailing" card. Why not counter the arguments posted with facts and argument? FCR wouldn't, 5oh couldn't and Yipper ... well, he was Yipper. Come on - tell us what you think of the Mueller investigation, Trump's lies and BS, the non-stop firings and resignations, the Obama-golfing = bad, Trump-golfing = good thing?

FWIW, I've already said that if Trump oversees a significant improvement in the Korean situation, then history will record that. (Events, dear boy, events.) It's true that some of the anti-Trump folk on this thread are unhappy with him getting any credit, but they ought to be consoled by the fact that history will also record Kim Jung Un's equivalent role in the result.

(Of course, both Trump and Kim will still be scumbags with many other problems on their respective plates.)

Sorry to disappoint you dear boy, but I am not a Trump supporter at all - I'm just not a hater. I just find the constant slating of him a bit tedious, as if you take away his Twitter account, the US isn't in a bad shape at all. The economy is growing, employment is up, consumer confidence is high, companies are bringing fortunes back onshore, illegal immigration is down and foreign policy has definitely taken a step in the right direction after some serious missteps under Obama.

I don't agree with everything he's done - the Muslim ban for fairly obvious reasons, and I'm still unsure about his trade war ideas. Also his golf swing sucks - far too much overswing considering how often he plays.

But to answer your points:

Mueller investigation- I'm waiting to see how this turns out. If he finds evidence of collusion then impeach him - if he finds nothing, we know the leader of the free world is squeaky clean. He should probably find something soon however, as the Americans I work with are rapidly losing interest, apart from a couple of Californians still in the ravages of TDS.

Hiring and Firings ? He's treating the White House like on of his boardrooms, not a conventional approach I'll grant, but given the average Americans distaste of conventional politics, changing things seems to be not a terrible idea.

The golf thing? Breaks down in to 2 issues for me. Is he playing too much? Not really, he seems to have settled on playing about 25% of the days he's been in office, so twice a week. A lot of the time he's playing with dignitaries, business people etc so it's just another way of working (as no deals are ever done on the golf course). Did he say he wouldn't play as often as Obama? Yes. Did that turn out to be hyperbole? Yep. Is it the biggest problem the world is facing right now? Not really.

So there you have it. Is he perfect? Nope, not even close. Is he as terrible as you are making out? Again not even close.

[Countdown]

frankenstein12 said:

What I find deeply troubling is CNN the mouthpiece of the Clintons involving themselves in this legal case to target an opposition media personality and by extension media house.

Why do you find CNN reporting the news “troubling”? Does having Trump et al’s lies being continually and repeatedly exposed make you feel uncomfortable?

[DMN]

Countdown said:

frankenstein12 said:

What I find deeply troubling is CNN the mouthpiece of the Clintons involving themselves in this legal case to target an opposition media personality and by extension media house.

Why do you find CNN reporting the news “troubling”? Does having Trump et al’s lies being continually and repeatedly exposed make you feel uncomfortable?

I believe what franenstien12 is refering too is good olde fassion "whataboutism".

[ScotHill]

bodhi said:

Hiring and Firings ? He's treating the White House like one of his boardrooms, not a conventional approach I'll grant, but given the average Americans distaste of conventional politics, changing things seems to be not a terrible idea.

Is that the same way that an earthquake might seem to be not a terrible idea? Because that's the amount of change in staff that's happened since he took office, and with about as much planning.

[Eric Mc]

There is positive change.

There is negative change.

And there is chaos.

I'm going for the last option.