45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

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frankenstein12 said:

Cant blame him TBH. Apparently he was good enough for Obama and plenty of people have come out to support him. It also seems a lot of the allegations dont seem to be backed up with facts or evidence.

Anyone who tries to take up that role will get allegations and full scale character assasinations as anyone who takes up any role in Trumps administration. Price you pay for being willing to work for him it seems.

Which allegations weren’t backed up with facts?

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minimoog said:

Meanwhile in the Cohen case, the judge has agreed to appoint a Special Master to ensure privileged docs aren't seen by the prosecution. She has nominated her own pick, a former judge not on either side's list of suggested candidates for the role. So the prosecution's own 'taint team' won't be used. This should allay fears of bias when the evidence seized from Cohen is examined. Obviously it won't be good enough for some, after all both Cohen and Trump think they should decide what the prosecution is allowed to see

Actually I believe one argument will be that she is a democrat and performed George Soros wedding ceremony and as such will be biased in who she picks to review the information.

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frankenstein12 said:

Cant blame him TBH. Apparently he was good enough for Obama and plenty of people have come out to support him. It also seems a lot of the allegations dont seem to be backed up with facts or evidence.

He was good enough to be Obama's in-house physician. It's his suitability to head an organisation employing 377,000 people with an annual budget of $180 billion that is currently under scrutiny.


Edit: missed a nought off the budget figure

Edited by minimoog on Thursday 26th April 19:08

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frankenstein12 said:

Actually I believe one argument will be that she is a democrat and performed George Soros wedding ceremony and as such will be biased in who she picks to review the information.

Tough tits.

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coyft said:

Gameface said:

coyft said:

He had a pre-arranged interview with Fox. The interview lasted about 30 minutes and a wide range of topics were discussed.

Full interview can be seen here http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/trump-c...

How do you think he acquitted himself?

Exactly how he has always acquitted himself.

You know, the way in which he beat 16 candidates to become the GOP nominee and the way in which he went on to win the POTUS race.

I don’t think you know what the word acquitted means.

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coyft said:

Exactly how he has always acquitted himself.

You know, the way in which he beat 16 candidates to become the GOP nominee and the way in which he went on to win the POTUS race.

Yes we know the rubes love it, but how do you think he's doing there as the head of the world's greatest superpower and nuclear arsenal? As opposed to a show pony grifting for likes I mean.

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coyft said:

Gameface said:

coyft said:

He had a pre-arranged interview with Fox. The interview lasted about 30 minutes and a wide range of topics were discussed.

Full interview can be seen here http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/trump-c...

How do you think he acquitted himself?

Exactly how he has always acquitted himself.

You know, the way in which he beat 16 candidates to become the GOP nominee and the way in which he went on to win the POTUS race.

How. Did. He. Acquit. Himself. In. The. Interview. In. Your. Opinion?

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coyft said:

Gameface said:

coyft said:

He had a pre-arranged interview with Fox. The interview lasted about 30 minutes and a wide range of topics were discussed.

Full interview can be seen here http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/trump-c...

How do you think he acquitted himself?

Exactly how he has always acquitted himself.

You know, the way in which he beat 16 candidates to become the GOP nominee and the way in which he went on to win the POTUS race.

Do you mean by lying the whole way through and whinging about how the whole world was against him?

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coyft said:

p1stonhead said:

coyft said:

Gameface said:

coyft said:

He had a pre-arranged interview with Fox. The interview lasted about 30 minutes and a wide range of topics were discussed.

Full interview can be seen here http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/trump-c...

How do you think he acquitted himself?

Exactly how he has always acquitted himself.

You know, the way in which he beat 16 candidates to become the GOP nominee and the way in which he went on to win the POTUS race.

I don’t think you know what the word acquitted means.

There was me thinking it means the way one acts or behaves. You'll have to enlighten me...

Got the wrong end of the stick I assume we were discussing his ongoing legal issues and the other meaning of being acquitted.

Carry on.

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coyft said:

Your sort of missing the point.

The job of a politician is to get elected and once elected to stay in power. I'd say he's done an excellect job at the former, time will tell as to the latter.

By that definition both Blair and Putin are “awesome” politicians....

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coyft said:

p1stonhead said:

coyft said:

p1stonhead said:

coyft said:

Gameface said:

coyft said:

He had a pre-arranged interview with Fox. The interview lasted about 30 minutes and a wide range of topics were discussed.

Full interview can be seen here http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/26/trump-c...

How do you think he acquitted himself?

Exactly how he has always acquitted himself.

You know, the way in which he beat 16 candidates to become the GOP nominee and the way in which he went on to win the POTUS race.

I don’t think you know what the word acquitted means.

There was me thinking it means the way one acts or behaves. You'll have to enlighten me...

Got the wrong end of the stick I assume we were discussing his ongoing legal issues and the other meaning of being acquitted.

Carry on.

Apology accepted.

Still though, he really did come across as someone lashing out after being backed into a corner. It was quite staggering to hear in my opinion.

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frankenstein12 said:

Actually I believe one argument will be that she is a democrat and performed George Soros wedding ceremony and as such will be biased in who she picks to review the information.

And yet Cohen's attorney described Jones, the appointed special master, as a 'wonderful choice'.

Incidentally Jones works for Bracewell, which used to be Bracewell & Giuliani, as in Rudy Giuliani. So make of that what you will.

[Gameface]

So he was...

Calm. Reasoned. Considered. On topic. Statesman-like.

Or

Sounded like he's a paranoid crack addict.

Even the Fox anchors just sat there with blank expressions on their faces not knowing what to do, and they normally give him a rim job everyday.

And that's before you even get to the Cohen/stormy admission.

The guy is unstable. The walls are closing in and he knows it.

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frankenstein12 said:

Cant blame him TBH. Apparently he was good enough for Obama and plenty of people have come out to support him. It also seems a lot of the allegations dont seem to be backed up with facts or evidence.

Anyone who tries to take up that role will get allegations and full scale character assasinations as anyone who takes up any role in Trumps administration. Price you pay for being willing to work for him it seems.

Which allegations weren’t backed up with facts?

First off worth pointing out that he has had 4 background checks over the years by the FBI and he has come up clean on all of them under both this administration and the previous.

1 that as White House Physician he oversaw a hostile work environment this based off a report in 2012 from navy medical inspector general report found a poor morale however at the time he and Jeffrey Coleman were jockeying for power.

However after Coleman left the next report showed an improvement showed an improvement in morale.

2 He overprescribed drugs.

2 Things first every year the DOJ carries out a review on the white house physicians office on things like prescriptions etc and every year they have said he is in compliance.
Second is a sitting on the fence issue.
Supposedly the people he was liberally handing out meds to and type of meds were sleeping pills and they were being issued to Government representatives on long distance trips like 13 hour flights abroad etc in which case frankly it sort of makes sense as you want them to be alert and with the program at the end of the day when representing the countryin political affairs and this was also under Obama and no one batted an eyelid about it then so how is it an issue now?

3 He drank on the Job.
Obamas Chief of staff states that he never saw the Doctor drink on the job or even really recalls ever seeing him in a bar, David Axelrod a senior advisor to Obama likewise stated the doctor always seemed responsive, alert and responsible on the job and had never heard any complaints about him and had always had pleasant interactions with him.

So to me the outlier at the moment is the allegation of crashing a government vehicle possibly while drunk. If true clearly that would have been a serious issue but if true it should have been picked up as part of his FBI check when Trump came into office.

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minimoog said:

frankenstein12 said:

Actually I believe one argument will be that she is a democrat and performed George Soros wedding ceremony and as such will be biased in who she picks to review the information.

Tough tits.

I had no idea. I have never met her or attempted to find out the firmness of her tits....


But yes I agree with your assessment

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coyft said:

The job of a politician is to get elected and once elected to stay in power.

Call me a hopeless altruist but I'd prefer the job of a politician to be running the country in a way that benefits its citizens and hopefully the wider world. I know this is a pipe dream for the most part, but most politicians, in the western world at least, at least try to take this notion beyond baseball caps and dog whistle rhetoric in half-empty sports halls.

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minimoog said:

coyft said:

The job of a politician is to get elected and once elected to stay in power.

Call me a hopeless altruist but I'd prefer the job of a politician to be running the country in a way that benefits its citizens and hopefully the wider world. I know this is a pipe dream for the most part, but most politicians, in the western world at least, at least try to take this notion beyond baseball caps and dog whistle rhetoric in half-empty sports halls.

Well keep that dream. The reality is impressively depressing.

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frankenstein12 said:

So to me the outlier at the moment is the allegation of crashing a government vehicle possibly while drunk. If true clearly that would have been a serious issue but if true it should have been picked up as part of his FBI check when Trump came into office.

Again, all that isn't really the point, but it does feed into this:

minimoog said:

He was good enough to be Obama's in-house physician. It's his suitability to head an organisation employing 377,000 people with an annual budget of $180 billion that is currently under scrutiny.

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FerdiZ28 said:

Seventy said:

Get the bunting out. Trumps coming on 13/7.

Finally some sanity in No.10.

Trump is on his way,

Hip hip HOORAY!

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minimoog said:

frankenstein12 said:

So to me the outlier at the moment is the allegation of crashing a government vehicle possibly while drunk. If true clearly that would have been a serious issue but if true it should have been picked up as part of his FBI check when Trump came into office.

Again, all that isn't really the point, but it does feed into this:

minimoog said:

He was good enough to be Obama's in-house physician. It's his suitability to head an organisation employing 377,000 people with an annual budget of $180 billion that is currently under scrutiny.

Sure but who really is unless you are looking at bringing in a ceo of a private company for example and even then lets be honest how many of them have proven themselves properly adept at their jobs.

The only reason they can give presently is because thre was concern over his management ability or style due to the report of poor morale in 2012/13?? which was likely caused by a power struggle between himself another person vying for the top job. Once the other chap left the following year the report showed an improvement in morale.

His actual competancy in running a large staff or organisation efficiently itself is not in question it is simply a question of how he is viewed by the staff he manages.