45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[Tony33]

Byker28i said:

There's an awful lot of assumptions that this guard could have done something.

Indeed but It seriously diminishes the already weak argument that giving teachers concealed handguns would prevent it happening. The whole gun free zone being the cause stance is blown out of the water when it it becomes apparent there was a uniformed armed guard who wasn't a sufficient deterrent and failed to stop it.

[Halb]

Tony33 said:

ndeed but It seriously diminishes the already weak argument that giving teachers concealed handguns would prevent it happening. The whole gun free zone being the cause stance is blown out of the water when it it becomes apparent there was a uniformed armed guard who wasn't a sufficient deterrent and failed to stop it.

No-one with any sense really believes that argument though, it's primary school stuff.

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A yank friend of mine posted this on their fb wall.

"The 9mm handgun is generally regarded as an effective weapon; its bullet travels at 1,200 feet per second and delivers a kinetic energy of 400 foot pounds. By comparison, the standard AR-15 bullet travels at 3,251 feet per minute* and delivers 1300 foot pounds.

It also has about 1/3 the recoil of a hunting rifle, making its 45 rounds per second easy and accurate."

[_dobbo_]

Halb said:

No-one with any sense really believes that argument though, it's primary school stuff.

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A yank friend of mine posted this on their fb wall.

"The 9mm handgun is generally regarded as an effective weapon; its bullet travels at 1,200 feet per second and delivers a kinetic energy of 400 foot pounds. By comparison, the standard AR-15 bullet travels at 3,251 feet per minute* and delivers 1300 foot pounds.

It also has about 1/3 the recoil of a hunting rifle, making its 45 rounds per second easy and accurate."

What this translates to for the victims, and those treating them:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/...

[ferrisbueller]

Halb said:

Tony33 said:

ndeed but It seriously diminishes the already weak argument that giving teachers concealed handguns would prevent it happening. The whole gun free zone being the cause stance is blown out of the water when it it becomes apparent there was a uniformed armed guard who wasn't a sufficient deterrent and failed to stop it.

No-one with any sense really believes that argument though, it's primary school stuff.

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A yank friend of mine posted this on their fb wall.

"The 9mm handgun is generally regarded as an effective weapon; its bullet travels at 1,200 feet per second and delivers a kinetic energy of 400 foot pounds. By comparison, the standard AR-15 bullet travels at 3,251 feet per minute* and delivers 1300 foot pounds.

It also has about 1/3 the recoil of a hunting rifle, making its 45 rounds per second easy and accurate."

Hard to understand the energy imparted by a projectile travelling at that velocity (also struggling with foot pounds as a measure of what I would have thought with be Kinetic Energy). I won't post images here, but google it. Assault rifles are designed to kill - they are machines of war. The way the rounds tear through flesh and devastate the area they pass through is horrifying. And here they are in the hands of pretty much anyone who wants one. It's not what they are meant for.

For the NRA, and therefore Trump, to say that people exploit situations like this is yet another statement of hypocrisy. Mass shootings are good for business. Sales of guns and ammunition always spike. Talk of changes in legislation are also good business, as people stock pile. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbyists. I don't think Trump has the balls to upset them.

Wayne LaPierre, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_LaPierre) the CEO of the NRA makes $5m a year fronting the organisation. He shares something with Trump "Despite a draft number (097)[7] that placed him in the “most likely to be drafted” category for 1970, he avoided military service during the Vietnam War." Apparently 5 million members and rising. I bet they're motivated voters, too.

[Byker28i]

NY Times now reporting that Gates will plead guilty.
https://t.co/8Ek7J4xtK1

I still think Mannafort thinks Trump will pardon him.

[Zod]

_dobbo_ said:

So tackle the problem at the source. Ban assault rifles outright.

- But handguns were used in x massacre (So what? Ban assault rifles)
- But loads of people already have assault rifles (So what? Ban assault rifles)
- But guns aren't the problem, people are (So what? Ban assault rifles)
- But the criminals will still have guns (So what? Ban assault rifles)

The thinking seems to be banning these things won't work, so might as well not bother. This seems flawed thinking to me - it might not immediately remove all these weapons from circulation but that's no reason not to do it.

There is no legitimate civilian use for an assault rifle.

[Eric Mc]

_dobbo_ said:

What this translates to for the victims, and those treating them:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/...

It's like being hit by a locomotive doing 100 mph.

I saw an MSNBC report saying that the muzzle velocity of the bullet as it leaves the barrel of the AR-15 is 2,182 mph. It doesn't bear thinking about what being hit by a projectile travelling at that speed would do to you.

[Zod]

Eric Mc said:

_dobbo_ said:

What this translates to for the victims, and those treating them:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/...

It's like being hit by a locomotive doing 100 mph.

I saw an MSNBC report saying that the muzzle velocity of the bullet as it leaves the barrel of the AR-15 is 2,182 mph. It doesn't bear thinking about what being hit by a projectile travelling at that speed would do to you.

You can read about it in_dobbo's_ link.

[greygoose]

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

[Tony33]

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

Indeed

[ferrisbueller]

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

FFS. He actually said it, too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43174069

[sugerbear]

He is imposing sanctions on Russia!!

Nope.... just North Korea

[Justices]

ferrisbueller said:

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

FFS. He actually said it, too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43174069

I’m genuinely surprised that I’m surprised that Ol’ Bone Spurs latched on to the news of the deputy not going in so he could to take the heat off of himself.

[Byker28i]

He making a speech at CPAC. Same old st

"Don't be complacent,” Trump said. “If they get in, they will repeal your tax cuts, they will put judges in that you wouldn't believe, they'll take away your Second Amendment, which we will never allow to happen.”

[p1stonhead]

ferrisbueller said:

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

FFS. He actually said it, too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43174069

He is so fking stupid that he doesn’t realise he just shat all over his own goddamn idea.

[anonymous-user]

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

I know we're at the stage where it's hardly surprising to hear him say stupid things, but this really is exceptional.

[Eric Mc]

La Liga said:

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

I know we're at the stage where it's hardly surprising to hear him say stupid things, but this really is exceptional.

The flow of uttterly stupid and incoherent drivel that gushes forth from his gob is beyond satire. Surely, at some point even Mr and Mrs Stupid of Stupid Street, Stupidsville will eventually realise how stupid this all is.

[Ructions]

Eric Mc said:

La Liga said:

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

I know we're at the stage where it's hardly surprising to hear him say stupid things, but this really is exceptional.

The flow of uttterly stupid and incoherent drivel that gushes forth from his gob is beyond satire. Surely, at some point even Mr and Mrs Stupid of Stupid Street, Stupidsville will eventually realise how stupid this all is.

Never underestimate the power of stupid, Eric.

[Halmyre]

Eric Mc said:

La Liga said:

greygoose said:

The irony of bone spur Trump saying the guard is a coward is unreal even in this surreal age.

I know we're at the stage where it's hardly surprising to hear him say stupid things, but this really is exceptional.

The flow of uttterly stupid and incoherent drivel that gushes forth from his gob is beyond satire. Surely, at some point even Mr and Mrs Stupid of Stupid Street, Stupidsville will eventually realise how stupid this all is.

But it plays right into the hands of his support base, much as it disgusts anyone with even a smidgin of a sense of morality.

[Seventy]

What a horrendously dystopian society America has become.
Heart wrenchingly not an imagined one.