45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[anonymous-user]

StartersOrders said:

mehmehmeh said:

Gandahar said:

Why do they need AR-15s for the 2nd amendment?

Because the 2nd amendment is also about protecting you from the Government (because Governments can be corrupt, which is why Amendments were sorted out in the first place) so whilst you don't need an AR15 to protect you from a burglar (a shotgun would be a far better weapon in close quarters due to spread), any personal cqb defence weapon won't protect you from soldiers.

I'd doubt an AR-15 would protect Joe Bloggs for very long against some fully-automatic freedom from the US armed forces.

I also doubt that it would protect Joe Bloggs from tanks, helicopters, fighter jets, bombing aircraft, mortar fire, missiles, submarines, and anything else a large army has..

The whole defending yourself against the government thing is total nonsense.

[ferrisbueller]

What happens if the armed forces deemed the suppression of the 2nd amendment as being contrary to their duties? Or half of them do and half of them don't? Will a US soldier fly their drone over a US citizen's house, on US soil, and deploy their hellfire?

And how many armed radicals, solitary or collective, do you think there are who would peacefully give up their weapons?

And how many McVeighs are out there?

Seriously, blood shed. And lots of it.

[Eric Mc]

These dilemmas can and do happen.

In 1913, the British government ordered the British Army in Ireland to uphold the passing of the Home Rule Bill (as their job is to uphold the will of Parliament).

The senior officers in charge of the army in Ireland stated categorically that they would NOT obey that order on the basis that it would bring about the break up of the United Kingdom. There was an almost certain mutiny about to happen. What saved Britain was the outbreak of World War 1.

[Countdown]

Trump's approval ratings getting higher

[Halb]

Eric Mc said:

These dilemmas can and do happen.

In 1913, the British government ordered the British Army in Ireland to uphold the passing of the Home Rule Bill (as their job is to uphold the will of Parliament).

The senior officers in charge of the army in Ireland stated categorically that they would NOT obey that order on the basis that it would bring about the break up of the United Kingdom. There was an almost certain mutiny about to happen. What saved Britain was the outbreak of World War 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_George_Square#Military_intervention
Similar situation, if shots had been fired, it could have led to huge establishment upheaval in the UK, Russia's revolution was still fresh in the minds of everyone

then the's this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

[Eric Mc]

The stability of democracy often hangs by a slender thread. It doesn't always take much for that thread to snap.

[Tony33]

mehmehmeh said:

Because the 2nd amendment is also about protecting you from the Government (because Governments can be corrupt, which is why Amendments were sorted out in the first place) so whilst you don't need an AR15 to protect you from a burglar (a shotgun would be a far better weapon in close quarters due to spread), any personal cqb defence weapon won't protect you from soldiers.

Though I think that had in mind a militia armed with muskets up against a tyrannical government armed with muskets!

[Eric Mc]

Specifically a British government trying to reclaim their lost colonies.

[Tony33]

The 2nd amendment is a divine intervention!

NRA's Wayne LaPierre: Right to bear arms is "not bestowed by man but granted by God to all Americans as our American birthright.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/966698309967646...

[Eric Mc]

I wonder what part of The Bible mentions this?

[StartersOrders]

Tony33 said:

The 2nd amendment is a divine intervention!

NRA's Wayne LaPierre: Right to bear arms is "not bestowed by man but granted by God to all Americans as our American birthright.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/966698309967646...

What planet are these people on? It seems that the concept of mutually assured destruction is also granted by God to all Americans...

[andy_s]

Tony33 said:

The 2nd amendment is a divine intervention!

NRA's Wayne LaPierre: Right to bear arms is "not bestowed by man but granted by God to all Americans as our American birthright.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/966698309967646...

Religious extremist...I thought it was the religion of peace?

[Byker28i]

Eric Mc said:

I wonder what part of The Bible mentions this?

It's in the NRA version
And God said, Behold, I have given you every type of armament of all calibers and sizes, which is upon the face of all the earth, to you it shall be for devine protection.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given unlimited weapons for you to have meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, especially the AR-15 and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Then there's something about having a piss up on the 7th day and shooting guns... or something like that

[Byker28i]

minimoog said:

Dem Counter-memo to the Nunes' memo released by Schiff

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/10...

The democratic response memo to Nunes attempted hatchet job has been released, but reading it, its obvious that the redactions aren't for security reasons, but to protect any signs of team trump wrongdoing, or republicans being mentioned.

It makes the point that the whole reason behind Nunes memo was to weaken the FBI and their investigation into Russia collusion.

There so much effort into obstructing the investigation.... there's nothing new in her that wasn't really known before, and reinforces the fact that Nunes has been using his investigation to act as a bloblock only, to provide inside information for team trump, that Nunes is heavily implicated in the obstruction.

There is the query about why the FBI were so keen to deny they were investigating team trump, yet happy to announce they were investigating clinton. The memo mentions five people were under investigation before the election, mannafort, page, papadopolous, gates and Flynn.

[kowalski655]

Byker28i said:

Eric Mc said:

I wonder what part of The Bible mentions this?

It's in the NRA version
And God said, Behold, I have given you every type of armament of all calibers and sizes, which is upon the face of all the earth, to you it shall be for devine protection.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given unlimited weapons for you to have meat: and it was so.
And God saw every thing that he had made, especially the AR-15 and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Then there's something about having a piss up on the 7th day and shooting guns... or something like that

Also the (AK)47th commandment:Thou shalt have guns, for when you absolutely, positively, got to kill every motherfker in the room.

[minimoog]

Countdown said:

Trump's approval ratings getting higher

Coincidentally, today's CNN poll has him at 35% approval, as low as he's ever been.

Pick your poison.

edit: poison menu for your perusal. Note the dates are spread as well as the results.

Edited by minimoog on Sunday 25th February 19:40

[anonymous-user]

It’s got to an extreme now - literally:

Half the polls in the last few days say higher than ever ratings, half say lowest ever!

However, Gallup Poll (which I would believe over the various niche partisan ones):

http://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-ap...

Their data says VERY LOW

[AreOut]

judging by election polling Rasmussen is one to believe

[Funkycoldribena]

V6Pushfit said:

However, Gallup Poll (which I would believe over the various niche partisan ones):

That's a surprise.

[F1GTRUeno]

AreOut said:

judging by election polling Rasmussen is one to believe

Judging by everything else, it's the one you avoid.

We all know the election polls were screwed with everything that happened the week leading up to voting.

Hillary WAS going to win but the FBI stuff interfering changed an awful lot of on the fence voters and energised others that wouldn't have voted to vote against her.

We all know it.