45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

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The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

77 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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I did not say it was a good plan.

The way he has played this is stupid no question. I am not sure US investment in local production will be as much as he thinks it will be.

rscott

14,754 posts

191 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Byker28i said:
This'll be interesting...
The tarrifs imposed by trump are hurting US companies at the moment

Harley-Davidson have ammounced they are planning to move some manufacturing out of America in response to Europe’s new tariffs on motorcycle imports.

Harley-Davidson has just announced that the EU’s tariffs will have a serious impact on its business. The average tariffs on a Harley will rose to 31%, from 6% today, adding $2,200 to the average price of a motorcycle exported from the US to Europe.

Such a burden could make Harley’s uncompetitive in Europe.

So the company has decided it must shift production of motorcycles for EU destinations from the US to its international facilities to avoid the tariff burden

Mid Continent Nail Corporation imports steel wire from Mexico, so has seen prices surge to uncompetitive levels thanks to the 25% tariff on imports imposed by Trump earlier this year. The company has already laid off 60 temporary staff, and could axe another 200 by the end of July unless it gets a tariff exemption, quickly.
https://www.missourinet.com/2018/06/22/southeast-m...

US lumber prices are up 32%
Whirlpool said the steel and aluminium tariffs would cost the company an extra $50m.

I could keep going, but of course trump said trade wars are easy to win.
Time to open those US steel and Alloy plants that closed then.
Could be more steel processing plants closing soon, thanks entirely to his new steel tarriffs - https://www.npr.org/2018/06/08/617200482/trumps-ta...

Byker28i

59,788 posts

217 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Time to open those US steel and Alloy plants that closed then.
because that's really easy isn't it...
as easy as a trade war?

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Zod said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
really, you find nothing in a separation from the Eu that could be advantageous to Uk trade ? That could be your blinkers chap.
OK, name one positive aspect. It can’t be difficult, so off you go....
Let's start with: we would not be sucked into a tariff war between Germany/France & USA ?
you reckon? Just wait until Trump notices our trade surplus with the US.

Byker28i

59,788 posts

217 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Whats going on with Daniels and Avenatti. He tweeted last night that the US Attorneys office cancelled their meeting today regarding the criminal case against Cohen.

The Feds protecting Cohen as he's busy cutting a deal with them and spilling all he knows? That would explain his latest lawyer...

Byker28i

59,788 posts

217 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Images of Trump at the childrens detention centers, not they are forced to recite the US Pledge of Allegiance, for the coutry that separated them...
http://uk.businessinsider.com/separated-migrant-ch...


The first offense of illegally entering this country is simply a misdemeanor, yet 91% of these people are being prosecuted.

The first offense of knowingly and willfully making false or fraudulent statements on a security clearance form is a felony.
Kushner has done this many times.

Lying to congress is a felony. Many of team trump have been caught out doing this.

None of these have been prosecuted....

p1stonhead

25,543 posts

167 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Byker28i said:
Images of Trump at the childrens detention centers, not they are forced to recite the US Pledge of Allegiance, for the coutry that separated them...
http://uk.businessinsider.com/separated-migrant-ch...


The first offense of illegally entering this country is simply a misdemeanor, yet 91% of these people are being prosecuted.

The first offense of knowingly and willfully making false or fraudulent statements on a security clearance form is a felony.
Kushner has done this many times.

Lying to congress is a felony. Many of team trump have been caught out doing this.

None of these have been prosecuted....
I think at this point we can all pretty much agree that the law is being applied in the way the GOP feel they want it to. Its not being applied universally as it should be. The rules of the game have fundamentally changed.

F1GTRUeno

6,354 posts

218 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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djc206 said:
Why does he struggle so much with capital letters?
He doesn't, it's a psychological ploy. Whether or not he thought about it himself or whether he was told to do it because it would work is another matter.

By capitalising certain words they become more vocal when you read them, you focus on them and take them in more. Just like when he gives people nicknames like Crooked Hillary, if you keep using them and keep capitalising things then people remember them more.

Sadly it works all too well.


Old Man Fred

821 posts

89 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Byker28i said:
Whats going on with Daniels and Avenatti. He tweeted last night that the US Attorneys office cancelled their meeting today regarding the criminal case against Cohen.

The Feds protecting Cohen as he's busy cutting a deal with them and spilling all he knows? That would explain his latest lawyer...
They told Avenatti they had cancelled it as they said he (Avenatti) leaked the meeting and there were not ready for all the journos

p1stonhead

25,543 posts

167 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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coyft said:
Whatever he’s doing seems to be working.

Gallup has Trump's approval at a new high since the beginning of his presidency: 45%. That's roughly the same as others at this point: Barack Obama (46%), Bill Clinton (46%), Ronald Reagan (45%) and Jimmy Carter (43%).
Support among Republicans is 90% in Gallup, also a high.
among independents, he's up to 42% — tied for his personal best, and only the fourth week in his presidency that he has been at 40% or above.
Trump's attacks on Mueller are working, too: The special counsel has a 53% unfavorable rating in Morning Consult polling — a new high, and a whopping 26-point spike since July of 2017

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-political-polar...
This is utterly irrelevent. If he finds crimes, people will be charged. It doesnt matter one tiny bit what 'rating' Mueller has. Why are people even being asked what they think of him seeing as they have zero idea what he currently has or doesnt have? laugh

Old Man Fred

821 posts

89 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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coyft said:
Trump's attacks on Mueller are working, too: The special counsel has a 53% unfavorable rating in Moron Consult polling — a new high, and a whopping 26-point spike since July of 2017
This is relevant because if the moron poll is over 50% unfavorable he will be in office for life and he cannot be charged with any crimes, that's right isn't it?

In slightly more relevant news 60% of people favour the custard creams over the bourbon biscuits that are in the office

ETA, beaten to it..

djc206

12,350 posts

125 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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F1GTRUeno said:
He doesn't, it's a psychological ploy. Whether or not he thought about it himself or whether he was told to do it because it would work is another matter.

By capitalising certain words they become more vocal when you read them, you focus on them and take them in more. Just like when he gives people nicknames like Crooked Hillary, if you keep using them and keep capitalising things then people remember them more.

Sadly it works all too well.
Ah interesting. Personally when I see unnecessary capitalisation I just stop reading because it pisses me off, I guess I’m not his target market.

Davos123

5,966 posts

212 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Byker28i said:
Even for you thats a huge desperate stretch.

Meddling in the elections would be say providing huge amounts of money through backchannels for election funds, perhaps as payment for promised sanctions relief.
Or perhaps it would be altering voter databases so opposition voters would be turned away from voting when they suddenly find out they aren't registered.
Or maybe it would be hacking the opponents emails and providing that information to you.
Or a huge targeted social media attack, that could also be called meddling.

Targeting tariffs in response to a trade war "they are easy to win", isn't election meddling. That's called tit for tat and is something that most economists warned trump about.
Surely meddling in elections is any action taken where the primary motive is to influence the outcome of an election? Designing your tariffs to hurt Trump supporting States and swing States is exactly that.

You can think it's ok to do this and that the things you've listed are worse but it's still meddling...

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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coyft said:
Whatever he’s doing seems to be working.

Gallup has Trump's approval at a new high since the beginning of his presidency: 45%. That's roughly the same as others at this point: Barack Obama (46%), Bill Clinton (46%), Ronald Reagan (45%) and Jimmy Carter (43%).
Support among Republicans is 90% in Gallup, also a high.
among independents, he's up to 42% — tied for his personal best, and only the fourth week in his presidency that he has been at 40% or above.
Trump's attacks on Mueller are working, too: The special counsel has a 53% unfavorable rating in Morning Consult polling — a new high, and a whopping 26-point spike since July of 2017

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-political-polar...
I wonder whether it really is "working".

Trump's 45% is contributed to by his 90% support from Republicans. I imagine that means his support amongst Democrats is pretty low.

I don't know either way, but I would be interested to know whether Obama, Clinton, Reagan or Carter had such a partisan split contributing to their overall approval number. Somehow I think it less than likely that they did.

If so, what's "working" is Trump's polarisation of the US electorate. I'm not really sure that's a good thing. I vaguely remember there's a line* in The West Wing, along the lines of "I'm not the President of the people who voted for me. I'm the President of the entire country".

That's not an ideal Donny has embraced.


This is an interesting page: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/pol...

Rasmussen is the only company now doing daily approval index polling. It's recognised as having a pro-Republican slant to its numbers.

If you want to count the number of days that Donny has had a positive approval index since his election 18 months ago (approx 540 days), you'll run out of fingers. But only just.


ETA: the line is "I'm the President of the United States, not the President of the people who agree with me"

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 25th June 15:06

DeejRC

5,790 posts

82 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Stop doing some politics because it is repugnant and immoral? Oh well, OK then!

I struggle to believe what I read on here at times.

Davos123

5,966 posts

212 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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anonymous said:
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... by hurting his political support

Davos123

5,966 posts

212 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Greg66 said:
Trump's 45% is contributed to by his 90% support from Republicans. I imagine that means his support amongst Democrats is pretty low.


Edited by Greg66 on Monday 25th June 15:06
Yeah I doubt he gives a st what his support amongst democrats is.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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POTUS busy at work again:


Seventy

5,500 posts

138 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Davos123 said:
Yeah I doubt he gives a st what his support amongst democrats is.
TBH I doubt he gives a st what his support is amongst Republicans either.
He is IMO largely apolitical, his interests lie in himself and his family. I don't think he really gives a st about Melania anymore (if he ever really did) either.
There are no politics involved with Donald Trump, only the deal.

IJB1959

2,139 posts

86 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
Time to open those US steel and Alloy plants that closed then.
Have you seen them??….they have rotted beyond reasonable repair, they would have to build new ones, and then who would take on that sort of massive & risky investment?

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