45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)

[LoonyTunes]

DeejRC said:

I struggle to believe what I read on here at times.

Try the Climate Change threads

[DeejRC]

anonymous said:

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I equate politics with the application of power up to and including the State sanctioning acts of murder whether by declaring war or by Intelligence agencies. Whinging about a restaurant doesn’t really hack it for me on a list of things to give a fk about. Well, ever.

Machiavelli formalised most of the rules 500yrs ago, that everyone from Xerxes to Octavian to Churchill to Putin would recognise. Nothing has changed.

Politics is the art of getting things done. Morality plays no part other than as a consideration of whether or not how you act may or may not impede your ability to get things done.

[minimoog]

DeejRC said:

Politics is the art of getting things done. Morality plays no part other than as a consideration of whether or not how you act may or may not impede your ability to get things done.

So morality does play a part then. Unless you're a horrible .

[Tampon]

coyft said:

California Democrat Maxine Waters calls on citizens to harass Trump administration officials in Public.

Sounds like a lovely individual.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine...

Horrible piece of work she is.

She should be marching with burning torches chanting "you will not replace us".

Then she would be waaaaaaaaay more my cup of tea.

[_dobbo_]

Alright Coyft? I see you're still here, not supporting Trump, but posting many many replies in support of Trump, because balance?

I'd respect you much, much more if you just said you like the guy.

[The Dangerous Elk]

anonymous said:

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Your need to include pre Nazi Germany, tiki torches and mass shootings as a comparison to the present situation is just nuts.

[djc206]

coyft said:

_dobbo_ said:

Alright Coyft? I see you're still here, not supporting Trump, but posting many many replies in support of Trump, because balance?

I'd respect you much, much more if you just said you like the guy.

I’m warming to him.

Him or his policies?

I can’t imagine there are many people out there who would say they liked Donald Trump as a person. He’s clearly egotistical, misogynistic and a pathological liar as all of those things have been proven time and time again, personally I could never warm to someone that possessed such characteristics but I could find myself supporting some of their policies.

[anonymous-user]

Harley Davidson are reported to be planning to shift production out of US to one of their existing overseas assembly plants in Australia, Brazil, India or Thailand to avoid EU tariffs.... Trump visits Wisconsin on Thursday.

[_dobbo_]

coyft said:

I particularly like his ability to reduce his opponents to either invoke Godwin's law or faux support through sarcasm.

Interestingly (?) invoking Godwin's Law is a way of dismissing something real. Holocaust scholars are talking about the similarities in the USA right now. Food for thought surely, even for a Trump fan?

[Countdown]

coyft said:

I particularly like his ability to reduce his opponents to either invoke Godwin's law or faux support through sarcasm.

Of all the abilities to have, that's probably a major one. Many's the time I've been reviewing my CV thinking "if only I could invoke Godwin's law".


Although admittedly my sarcasm capability isn't too bad.

[The Dangerous Elk]

anonymous said:

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There are no parallels between the rise/taking of power by the Nazi's and Trump/USA except in the mind of those that get overexcited.

Please, considering you regard me as undereducated on the period/subject, can you point me to the "historians" that are drawing these enlightening comparisons.

(FYI, the 30's includes the period when the Nazis were still "on the rise". Until the Hindenburg appointment of AH to Chancellor and then the Enabling act in March 33 Germany was still "Pre Nazi".
It took untill late 34 to cement this with the changes to the Judges/Direct powers etc.)

Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Monday 25th June 20:04

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coyft said:

California Democrat Maxine Waters calls on citizens to harass Trump administration officials in Public.

Sounds like a lovely individual.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine...

Are you aware of some of the things Trump has encouraged his supporters to do?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/don...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-inc...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comment...
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-told-white-supremaci...

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coyft said:

Countdown said:

coyft said:

California Democrat Maxine Waters calls on citizens to harass Trump administration officials in Public.

Sounds like a lovely individual.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine...

Are you aware of some of the things Trump has encouraged his supporters to do?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/don...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-inc...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comment...
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-told-white-supremaci...

Thought we weren't allowed whataboutism on this thread?

So why are you referencing Maxine Waters in a thread about Trump if it's not a prime example of whatabouttery?

[Escapegoat]

coyft said:

Countdown said:

coyft said:

California Democrat Maxine Waters calls on citizens to harass Trump administration officials in Public.

Sounds like a lovely individual.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine...

Are you aware of some of the things Trump has encouraged his supporters to do?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/don...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-inc...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comment...
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-told-white-supremaci...

Thought we weren't allowed whataboutism on this thread?

You're not here for the hunting, are you?

[Seventy]

The Dangerous Elk said:

(FYI, the 30's includes the period when the Nazis were still "on the rise". Until the Hindenburg appointment of AH to Chancellor and then the Enabling act in March 33 Germany was still "Pre Nazi".
It took untill late 34 to cement this with the changes to the Judges/Direct powers etc.)

Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Monday 25th June 20:04

Top googling. Unless you’re a lecturer in the subject. Which I doubt.

[Countdown]

coyft said:

Countdown said:

So why are you referencing Maxine Waters in a thread about Trump if it's not a prime example of whatabouttery?

Because it's current news. Is that alright by you?

So is the fact that today was the hottest day of the year but I've not mentioned it in this thread because....this is about Trump.

Not the weather or Maxine Waters.

[Seventy]

Escapegoat said:

You're not here for the hunting, are you?

Of course he is.

[amgmcqueen]

Majority of American approve of Trump on economy:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/25/majority-of-americ...

Trumps poll number surging:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-poll-numbers-a...

Trumps economic approval ratings hit new high:
https://www.axios.com/americans-approve-donald-tru...

[Davos123]

anonymous said:

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Behave. Donald Trump is not Hitler and invoking Godwin's law is ridiculous and undermines your argument.

[Einion Yrth]

Seventy said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

(FYI, the 30's includes the period when the Nazis were still "on the rise". Until the Hindenburg appointment of AH to Chancellor and then the Enabling act in March 33 Germany was still "Pre Nazi".
It took untill late 34 to cement this with the changes to the Judges/Direct powers etc.)

Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Monday 25th June 20:04

Top googling. Unless you’re a lecturer in the subject. Which I doubt.

If it's true, it's true; whether it is knowledge borne of a lifelong study of the middle years of the C.20 or by a swift google changes that, not a jot.
Is it true though? I have no idea.