Miami school shooting

[TTmonkey]

red_slr said:

I think there are 2 classes of firearms owners over there, in broad terms. (they also have CCW, armed guards etc)

Ex military who can own their ex service rifle without a licence. AFAIK they are the ones who can only shoot at a range with ammo purchased there.

The other class is like the UK, normal people who shoot for sports. Hunters and target shooters. I think they apply for their licence and then can buy and store ammo at home.

That's as I understand it. Could be wrong though!

The second class.... Is that for bolt action guns only though?

[red_slr]

You can either be military or civilian.

Military require no permit.

Civilian need no permit for hunting rifles or target rifles which are bolt action or straight pull. If you want to buy a semi automatic or pistol then you can but you need a licence. Just like in this country.

[Ructions]

The armed deputy who was on campus at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school when a gunman massacred 17 people stood outside the building as it occurred and did not go in to engage the shooter, the Broward County sheriff, Scott Israel, said on Thursday.

Deputy Scott Peterson, who was the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, resigned from the department on Thursday after being told he would be suspended, Israel said.
Trump insists on arming teachers despite lack of evidence it would stop shootings
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He did not say if Peterson would face criminal charges.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/st...

[p1stonhead]

Ructions said:

The armed deputy who was on campus at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school when a gunman massacred 17 people stood outside the building as it occurred and did not go in to engage the shooter, the Broward County sheriff, Scott Israel, said on Thursday.

Deputy Scott Peterson, who was the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, resigned from the department on Thursday after being told he would be suspended, Israel said.
Trump insists on arming teachers despite lack of evidence it would stop shootings
Read more

He did not say if Peterson would face criminal charges.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/st...

And there you go Mr. ‘Let’s arm teachers’ Trump!

[jmorgan]

Bonkers. Lots of people are blaming everything and everyone except the elephant in the room and now, reading one snipet on the web, they want deputies on campus with rifles. That a nod to a deputy with a pistol vs someone with a rifle?

[Gameface]

That guy is going to become a scapegoat, poor sod. His life will be a made a misery.

A lot of these school shooters are armed to the teeth with assault rifles, back up weapons and masses of ammo etc, yet these school guards have only a pistol and limited ammo I'd imagine.

Not a fair fight.

[numtumfutunch]

Gameface said:

That guy is going to become a scapegoat, poor sod. His life will be a made a misery.

A lot of these school shooters are armed to the teeth with assault rifles, back up weapons and masses of ammo etc, yet these school guards have only a pistol and limited ammo I'd imagine.

Not a fair fight.

I recall the first proper cops on the scene at Charlie Hebdo didn't fare well against assault rifles

Arming teachers = stupid, stupid, stupid

[lord summerisle]

p1stonhead said:

Ructions said:

The armed deputy who was on campus at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school when a gunman massacred 17 people stood outside the building as it occurred and did not go in to engage the shooter, the Broward County sheriff, Scott Israel, said on Thursday.

Deputy Scott Peterson, who was the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, resigned from the department on Thursday after being told he would be suspended, Israel said.
Trump insists on arming teachers despite lack of evidence it would stop shootings
Read more

He did not say if Peterson would face criminal charges.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/st...

And there you go Mr. ‘Let’s arm teachers’ Trump!

I'm confused: Wayne LaPierre said the only way to protect kids in schools was to place an armed guard in the school... and the NRA would train them... does that not work then?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/21/nra-...

There was an armed deputy on duty when the 2 lads opened fire in Columbine - he fired a few rounds at the pair... but didnt stop them going on into the library and killing and injuring another 21 people

[Russian Troll Bot]

jmorgan said:

Bonkers. Lots of people are blaming everything and everyone except the elephant in the room and now, reading one snipet on the web, they want deputies on campus with rifles. That a nod to a deputy with a pistol vs someone with a rifle?

I see the good old "violent video games caused it" trope i being dragged up again. Because as we all know, the world was a crime free utopia until Atari came along.

[red_slr]

Very bad show that they are blaming this guy IMHO.

[Voldemort]

[james_tigerwoods]

red_slr said:

Very bad show that they are blaming this guy IMHO.

I fear we'll be reading about this guy having taken his own life in the news soon...

[Gameface]

That thought crossed my mind too.

[captainzep]

There’s an established facet of cognitive psychology that looks at how the brain’s functioning changes in emergency situations such as this. I was lucky enough to study under Dr John Leach who was one of the leading researchers on this. Without quoting from his book, suffice to say that arming guards in schools and expecting them to deal effectively with shooters is optimistic.

[croyde]

There's plenty of stories out there of people with permission to carry a gun freezing when something is going down.

Shooting targets is one thing .......

Also 'sensible' carrying citizens have even said that they did not use their weapon in a situation for fear of hitting the wrong people.

[jmorgan]

I know that until many people are faced with a situation, they do not know which way it will go unless there has been some deep training.

What are the requirements for a deputy? I am going to guess no where near what is required for this and it will all come down to the person on the day.

[Too Drunk to Funk]

red_slr said:

Very bad show that they are blaming this guy IMHO.

Why?

All we keep hearing is all you need is a good guy with a gun.

That plan clearly failed.

[Hoofy]

As a fan of Battlefield, I honestly can say I would have waded in at the first sign of trouble and took the gunman down.

As a fan of Battlefield, I have learnt that camping at a choke point such as an exit reaps the best rewards.

As a fan of Battlefield, I've never seen real gun battles and would probably hide and crap my pants.

Pick one.

I expect NRA Rambo wannabes would think option (1).

[andy_s]

captainzep said:

There’s an established facet of cognitive psychology that looks at how the brain’s functioning changes in emergency situations such as this. I was lucky enough to study under Dr John Leach who was one of the leading researchers on this. Without quoting from his book, suffice to say that arming guards in schools and expecting them to deal effectively with shooters is optimistic.

Absolutely. I've used weapons professionally for a few years and trained US LE in their use, the training was specifically to get them out of their usual range type shoot and in to the reality of what happens to your mind and body in a real situation and working around that - Hollywood has a lot to answer for.

In a nutshell - trained US LE that regularly qualify on the range at 25m with no stress miss 80% of rounds during gunfights even though the average distances between adversaries is only 7 metres.

As for arming teachers, 10-20% of LE shootings are with their own weapon.

[PRTVR]

red_slr said:

Very bad show that they are blaming this guy IMHO.

I agree, how and why do they expect him to run into a situation that he has no knowledge of what is happening, hindsight is a wonderful thing not available to people in the situation, perhaps they just expected him to run in and die in a hail of bullets, an all American hero.