Miami school shooting
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Derek Smith said:
jmorgan said:
Large protest marches this weekend then.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/march-for-our...
Quite a turn out. Can they keep it up.
It will have no effect. I have policed a number of such demonstrations, nothing anywhere near so large, in this country on another cause of avoidable deaths. They too had no effect.https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/march-for-our...
Quite a turn out. Can they keep it up.
I can understand the sentiments behind the posts which are along the line of: 'why don't they just', and indeed I can see the logic. But perhaps why they don't can be shown by simple comparisons.
Whilst figures are in dispute, most of it is in detail. My figures can be challenged, and successfully no doubt, but mine can be supported as ballpark. My maths might be wrong though.
10,000+ pa firearms related deaths in the USA. That's excluding suicides and accidental shootings. A population of 325m gives around 30 deaths per million. This is shocking. It is not entirely preventable, but other countries seem to manage it better. We can point to the USA and say that they are a weird lot to allow this massacre to continue.
Their defence of arming the nation is illogical and amounts to a misinterpretation of the constitution. Also the NRA is a major funder of influential politicians.
In the UK as a whole there are 8000+ pa deaths related directly to alcohol. Again, the figures are argued over, but these are generally 'accepted'. The figures for those who think they are too high are too high. A population of 65m gives us a death rate of 123dpm. That's over four times the rate of firearms related deaths in the USA.
I'm not arguing for a ban, or trying to condemn; all I'm suggesting is that the situations are similar.
Think in the UK DIY is a big killer as well, I expect that is multiplied some in the US but a small metal contraption that some see as their god given right will always be divisive, more so than the other causes. Sticking a drill through a means cable is unfortunate, sticking a lever on a device that needs a small amount of absence of thought and detachment to the act to pull is a tad different. It will be interesting to see where they go with it, reading somewhere that some law makers were in on the march and others around the US are looking to get permission to alter laws. Not sure how this last bit is needed but federal law overriding at the moment?
I'm pretty sure these marches will have an effect; I expect the NRA will direct more funding at pro-gun Democrats to make sure they stuff congress with friends in the mid-terms.
https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
davepoth said:
I'm pretty sure these marches will have an effect; I expect the NRA will direct more funding at pro-gun Democrats to make sure they stuff congress with friends in the mid-terms.
https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
NRA’s response to the some of the most recent shootings.https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/techandcultu...
davepoth said:
I'm pretty sure these marches will have an effect; I expect the NRA will direct more funding at pro-gun Democrats to make sure they stuff congress with friends in the mid-terms.
https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
Daft thing is, while stats do indeed show a swing towards favouring gun control, the proportion of people wanting it is still less than it was 20(?) years ago.https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
Even Trump was in favour of gun control in the past (but you can't trust a thing that comes out of his mouth, just says what ever he thinks people want to hear, wonder if he is related to berni Ecclestone ?)
davepoth said:
I'm pretty sure these marches will have an effect; I expect the NRA will direct more funding at pro-gun Democrats to make sure they stuff congress with friends in the mid-terms.
https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
The NRA's political bribes are relatively insignificant, they don't even get into the top 50. It'll depend how the bigger lobbyists react.https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
Gary C said:
AJL308 said:
Gary C said:
AJL308 said:
Efbe said:
What does it matter?
The US has clearly misinterpreted the 2A to mean everyone has a right to bear arms, ignoring that this should be to support a militia.
And you are ignoring the fact that the 'militia' essentially comprises everyone. The US has clearly misinterpreted the 2A to mean everyone has a right to bear arms, ignoring that this should be to support a militia.
frankenstein12 said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
9 year old shoots his 13 year old sister dead after an argument about a video game controller
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/boy-shot-sis...
The problem here is obvious. If children weren't allowed to play video games, there wouldn't have been a controller to argue over in the first place. I am glad they are bringing in tighter restrictions.
No the problem here is that the parents should be made an example of to make Americans aware of the risks of being a stupid fk. Who keeps a loaded gun in an unlocked bedside table?? Especially when there are kids around. How monumentally stupid do you have to be???https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/boy-shot-sis...
The problem here is obvious. If children weren't allowed to play video games, there wouldn't have been a controller to argue over in the first place. I am glad they are bringing in tighter restrictions.
As said my dad had a gun in the house when i was 15. It was ALWAYS kept locked in a safe and if it wasnt in the safe it was always on or near him where he could make sure nobody else could touch it. Common sense.
Frankly stories like this make me think the parents not only should be spending a long time in jail I also think they should be sterilised so they dont sully the gene pool anymore.
Like I said previously, this isn't a problem with guns, per-se, it's a problem of Americans with guns.
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
Yes they stupidly claimed the Good guy shot the bad guy based on poor information much like many others at the time when they should have waited for the official report showing what actually happened however people always do this regardless of who and where they are.
They make statements without knowing full facts to prove their point and it turns out they were wrong. Fact of life.
Gary C said:
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
98elise said:
Gary C said:
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
I didnt say real life is like hollywood movies but real life rarely works the way we expect. The article states the guards bullet hit the shooters gun. There is a reasonable question as to how given the shooter apparently had his gun pointed at his own head.
98elise said:
Gary C said:
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
In this case, you can scoff all you want that the response officer didn't do anything, but he had already put one round into the shooter when the shooter offed himself. If he hadn't killed himself, it is fairly obvious that the response officer would have killed him shortly thereafter.
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
rscott said:
Hmm. Turns out the Maryland school shooter wasn't shot by a good guy with a gun after all... He shot himself - http://qklnk.co/0AmUPG
And your point is?Reality is shooter was engaged by school security and ended up shooting himself. Had school security not been there he may have harmed others or tried to get away.
Also reading the story it sounds like the security tried to shoot the gun out of his hand or simply hit it by accident.
Aside from anything else reading the notes it sounds like the gun was registered to his dad. His dad should be held and charged as an accessory and made an example of so that other parents in the US maybe sit up and realise that allowing teenagers unfettered access to guns can get you thrown in jail.
Yes they stupidly claimed the Good guy shot the bad guy based on poor information much like many others at the time when they should have waited for the official report showing what actually happened however people always do this regardless of who and where they are.
They make statements without knowing full facts to prove their point and it turns out they were wrong. Fact of life.
Answer - no. The NRA picked up an unverified rumour and spread it as fact in order to justify putting more guns in schools. They have been rightly condemned for doing that.
A very sad update on this story.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4490259...
Well, connected anyway. Guns don’t kill people etc etc.
Poor bloke.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4490259...
Well, connected anyway. Guns don’t kill people etc etc.
Poor bloke.
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