Chippendales do not objectify men

[anonymous-user]

Einion Yrth said:

ETA Oh and I used to do stage crew work, most if not all of the Chppendales were as bent as a 49p piece. No problem, just saying.

You'd never think that would the case would you?
They just look so butch.

[Einion Yrth]

desolate said:

Einion Yrth said:

ETA Oh and I used to do stage crew work, most if not all of the Chppendales were as bent as a 49p piece. No problem, just saying.

You'd never think that would the case would you?
They just look so butch.

Never seemed to occur to the audience though; although given the mess their boyfriends were likely to be, that's sort of understandable; a girl can dream.

[ATG]

Brave Fart said:

Grid girl 1: "I feel objectified."
Extreme feminist: "That's because you live in a misogynistic patriarchal society of which you are a victim, sister."
Grid girl 2: "I don't feel objectified, I like looking glamorous and being paid for it."
Extreme feminist: "Male oppression has brainwashed you into denial, sister. Therefore you are a victim of a misogynistic etc. etc."

It's not about the grid girls and how they feel. The question is whether or not gawping at grid girls affects how men think about, judge and behave towards women in general. I'm not calling it one way or the other, but at the very least it makes sense to understand what question is being asked.

And on the Chippendale thing, male stripping is clearly not the same as female stripping. If you've had the mis/fortune to witness both, the dynamic between the stripper and the audience is completely different. So whatabouting about the Chippendales tells you bugger all about the social merits or otherwise of using "glamour" shoots to flog breeze blocks or whatever.

[Harry Biscuit]

#prayforwilly

[WinstonWolf]

ATG said:

Brave Fart said:

Grid girl 1: "I feel objectified."
Extreme feminist: "That's because you live in a misogynistic patriarchal society of which you are a victim, sister."
Grid girl 2: "I don't feel objectified, I like looking glamorous and being paid for it."
Extreme feminist: "Male oppression has brainwashed you into denial, sister. Therefore you are a victim of a misogynistic etc. etc."

It's not about the grid girls and how they feel. The question is whether or not gawping at grid girls affects how men think about, judge and behave towards women in general. I'm not calling it one way or the other, but at the very least it makes sense to understand what question is being asked.

And on the Chippendale thing, male stripping is clearly not the same as female stripping. If you've had the mis/fortune to witness both, the dynamic between the stripper and the audience is completely different. So whatabouting about the Chippendales tells you bugger all about the social merits or otherwise of using "glamour" shoots to flog breeze blocks or whatever.

So it’s ok for women to gawp at men but it’s not ok for men to gawp at women?

It was only a matter of time before someone tried to justify it...

[anonymous-user]

Is there anywhere like a strip Club where blokes get their kit off? Either burlesque upscale or browns style coin in a pint pot?

Asking for a friend, obviously.

[voyds9]

desolate said:

Is there anywhere like a strip Club where blokes get their kit off? Either burlesque upscale or browns style coin in a pint pot?

Asking for a friend, obviously.

Used to be a place in Bradford (iirc The Crown) where men stripped on the hour and women on the half hour, yes for cash in pint pot.
Not sure if it's still there.

[spyker138]

Atomic12C said:

Remember though, the liberal left's main enemy is the hetrosexual white man.

Only ones that can't spell.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Brave Fart said:

Grid girl 1: "I feel objectified."
Extreme feminist: "That's because you live in a misogynistic patriarchal society of which you are a victim, sister."
Grid girl 2: "I don't feel objectified, I like looking glamorous and being paid for it."
Extreme feminist: "Male oppression has brainwashed you into denial, sister. Therefore you are a victim of a misogynistic etc. etc."

Grid girl 3: "I don't feel objectified, and I object to extremist feminists interfering with my employment options."
Extreme feminist: "You are internalising your oppression sister".

[ATG]

WinstonWolf said:

ATG said:

Brave Fart said:

Grid girl 1: "I feel objectified."
Extreme feminist: "That's because you live in a misogynistic patriarchal society of which you are a victim, sister."
Grid girl 2: "I don't feel objectified, I like looking glamorous and being paid for it."
Extreme feminist: "Male oppression has brainwashed you into denial, sister. Therefore you are a victim of a misogynistic etc. etc."

It's not about the grid girls and how they feel. The question is whether or not gawping at grid girls affects how men think about, judge and behave towards women in general. I'm not calling it one way or the other, but at the very least it makes sense to understand what question is being asked.

And on the Chippendale thing, male stripping is clearly not the same as female stripping. If you've had the mis/fortune to witness both, the dynamic between the stripper and the audience is completely different. So whatabouting about the Chippendales tells you bugger all about the social merits or otherwise of using "glamour" shoots to flog breeze blocks or whatever.

So it’s ok for women to gawp at men but it’s not ok for men to gawp at women?

It was only a matter of time before someone tried to justify it...

I don't know why I'm bothering, but for the sake of the terminally confused, Winston, I didn't pass judgment one way or the other.

Oh, and, here, have an ellipsis ...

[Randy Winkman]

ATG said:

Brave Fart said:

Grid girl 1: "I feel objectified."
Extreme feminist: "That's because you live in a misogynistic patriarchal society of which you are a victim, sister."
Grid girl 2: "I don't feel objectified, I like looking glamorous and being paid for it."
Extreme feminist: "Male oppression has brainwashed you into denial, sister. Therefore you are a victim of a misogynistic etc. etc."

It's not about the grid girls and how they feel. The question is whether or not gawping at grid girls affects how men think about, judge and behave towards women in general. I'm not calling it one way or the other, but at the very least it makes sense to understand what question is being asked.

And on the Chippendale thing, male stripping is clearly not the same as female stripping. If you've had the mis/fortune to witness both, the dynamic between the stripper and the audience is completely different. So whatabouting about the Chippendales tells you bugger all about the social merits or otherwise of using "glamour" shoots to flog breeze blocks or whatever.

I think ATG makes some good points. Grid girls and waitresses at charity events are not the same thing as strippers or porn.

[Some Gump]

Atomic12C said:

Remember though, the liberal left's main enemy is the hetrosexual white man.

Aren't most of the Chippendale's gay tho?

..or is it that just fat baz down the club said it and now it's urban myth?

Not does it matter. Nor the objectification. They are clearly being objectified, but the more important thing is "why is being wanted for looks a bad thing?" Cars, partners, furniture, etc etc - there's nothing wrong with either desiring something be cause of how it looks, or feeling desired because of the effort put into a look. Unless you're a munter, and have decided to buy into an -ism becauxe it's easier than going down the gym and working hard.

[saaby93]

ATG said:

It's not about the grid girls and how they feel. The question is whether or not gawping at grid girls affects how men think about, judge and behave towards women in general. I'm not calling it one way or the other, but at the very least it makes sense to understand what question is being asked.

And on the Chippendale thing, male stripping is clearly not the same as female stripping. If you've had the mis/fortune to witness both, the dynamic between the stripper and the audience is completely different. So whatabouting about the Chippendales tells you bugger all about the social merits or otherwise of using "glamour" shoots to flog breeze blocks or whatever.

That was my fault
The Grid and Dart Girls dont take all their clothes off, so theres a difference there
There's the posed women pics in almost nothing who sometimes let things slip out for the Mail
Chippendales do they let their bits out?
Girls who let all their bits out for a show

Where does that leave us?
Which ones are being objectified? Or objectifiying themselves?

Anyone fancy a pint

[anonymous-user]

voyds9 said:

Used to be a place in Bradford (iirc The Crown) where men stripped on the hour and women on the half hour, yes for cash in pint pot.
Not sure if it's still there.

I've heard Bradford's a den on iniquity these days. It must still be there.

[steveatesh]

saaby93 said:

ATG said:

It's not about the grid girls and how they feel. The question is whether or not gawping at grid girls affects how men think about, judge and behave towards women in general. I'm not calling it one way or the other, but at the very least it makes sense to understand what question is being asked.

And on the Chippendale thing, male stripping is clearly not the same as female stripping. If you've had the mis/fortune to witness both, the dynamic between the stripper and the audience is completely different. So whatabouting about the Chippendales tells you bugger all about the social merits or otherwise of using "glamour" shoots to flog breeze blocks or whatever.

That was my fault
The Grid and Dart Girls dont take all their clothes off, so theres a difference there
There's the posed women pics in almost nothing who sometimes let things slip out for the Mail
Chippendales do they let their bits out?
Girls who let all their bits out for a show

Where does that leave us?
Which ones are being objectified? Or objectifiying themselves?

Anyone fancy a pint

Well it appears that anything involving women being looked at in any way by men is objectification. Men being looked at or touched up by women, whether clothed, naked or semi naked, is just a bit of fun. HTH

[Randy Winkman]

steveatesh said:

saaby93 said:

ATG said:

It's not about the grid girls and how they feel. The question is whether or not gawping at grid girls affects how men think about, judge and behave towards women in general. I'm not calling it one way or the other, but at the very least it makes sense to understand what question is being asked.

And on the Chippendale thing, male stripping is clearly not the same as female stripping. If you've had the mis/fortune to witness both, the dynamic between the stripper and the audience is completely different. So whatabouting about the Chippendales tells you bugger all about the social merits or otherwise of using "glamour" shoots to flog breeze blocks or whatever.

That was my fault
The Grid and Dart Girls dont take all their clothes off, so theres a difference there
There's the posed women pics in almost nothing who sometimes let things slip out for the Mail
Chippendales do they let their bits out?
Girls who let all their bits out for a show

Where does that leave us?
Which ones are being objectified? Or objectifiying themselves?

Anyone fancy a pint

Well it appears that anything involving women being looked at in any way by men is objectification. Men being looked at or touched up by women, whether clothed, naked or semi naked, is just a bit of fun. HTH

But can you see the difference between things like strippers and porn and other things like mainstream sports and charity events?

[MG CHRIS]

So what you saying is




Oh wrong thread

[hyphen]

anonymous said:

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[Randy Winkman]

anonymous said:

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A point well made. Because it is the point.

[roachcoach]

Randy Winkman said:

But can you see the difference between things like strippers and porn and other things like mainstream sports and charity events?

I wonder what would happen on 8 out of 10 cats deos countdown if the male models were buxom females in skimpy bikinis?