Mollycoddled 'Snowflake children' warns head teacher
Discussion
Bradgate said:
There has been massive social change to the lives of teenagers since I was one.
Back in the mid-80s university was for the brightest (or most privileged) 20%, and the vast majority of 16-21 year olds had left school and were working for a living. Some had jobs, some were doing trade apprenticeships, some were on training schemes, some were combining work with college. They were not yet fully financially independent of their parents, but they were effectively young adults.
In 2018, it’s completely different. Today’s 16-21 year olds are younger for far longer. They are still in full time education, they are completely financially dependent on their parents. They are effectively still children, so we shouldn’t be surprised when they behave as such.
And yet many want to lower the voting age! Back in the mid-80s university was for the brightest (or most privileged) 20%, and the vast majority of 16-21 year olds had left school and were working for a living. Some had jobs, some were doing trade apprenticeships, some were on training schemes, some were combining work with college. They were not yet fully financially independent of their parents, but they were effectively young adults.
In 2018, it’s completely different. Today’s 16-21 year olds are younger for far longer. They are still in full time education, they are completely financially dependent on their parents. They are effectively still children, so we shouldn’t be surprised when they behave as such.
Rovinghawk said:
Crackie said:
I don't think it a teachers function to carry out a the activities above. Teachers have a responsibility to teach an academic curriculum
Do you not think that finance as I described could be part of a mathematics curriculum, possibly more useful to many than calculus or algebra?Do you not think that drills & rawlplugs might be more useful in woodwork class than making a bookend
Crackie said:
Schools do teach many of the 'life' skills mentioned above but in my experience many children have relatively little interest in these 'practical' skills.
Many have little interest in RE but it still gets taught, despite its lack of value.Older generations grew up with toys which helped understand how things were put together mechanically ( Meccano, Airfix models, Hornby train sets, scalextric etc ). The majority of the current generation have Playstations, X-Boxes, Wiis and their phones to amuse themselves and don't do mechanical. I still don't think it is a school function to teach these practical, life experience, skills.
Regarding RE.....should have been binned years ago. Future generations will need to know about coding, robotics, how to draw using 3D CAD software etc.
Edited by Crackie on Thursday 22 February 21:55
Crackie said:
Regarding RE.....should have been binned years ago. Future generations will need to know about coding, robotics, how to draw using 3D CAD software etc.
Absolutely - although at least in my son's school it is now 'belief system awareness and moral education' or some such. Given that most of the time at school is spent flicking gamboes at the teacher and avoiding work like the plague, I can't see how the impact of any 'moral' teaching can over-ride the homelife situation anyway, but there we go.Crackie said:
Regarding RE.....should have been binned years ago. Future generations will need to know about coding, robotics, how to draw using 3D CAD software etc.
RE is needed. If there is one thing that is needed for kids growing up it's a greater understanding of the differences (often driven by religion) around this increasingly mobile and small planet.Vaud said:
RE is needed. If there is one thing that is needed for kids growing up it's a greater understanding of the differences (often driven by religion) around this increasingly mobile and small planet.
These aspects could easily be convered in geography, history and sociology though. Does it really need it’s own subject.RE when I was at school was essentially a glorified Christianity marketing excercise.
Moonhawk said:
These aspects could easily be convered in geography, history and sociology though. Does it really need it’s own subject.
RE when I was at school was essentially a glorified Christianity marketing excercise.
Providing it was properly integrated, I agree. Mine was too, or rather it was very biased.RE when I was at school was essentially a glorified Christianity marketing excercise.
Bradgate said:
In 2018, it’s completely different. Today’s 16-21 year olds are younger for far longer. They are still in full time education, they are completely financially dependent on their parents. They are effectively still children, so we shouldn’t be surprised when they behave as such.
Indeed. I have been saying this for years. It always puzzles me when I hear people say ‘kids grow up too fast these days’.Childhood has probably never been as long as it is today.
Rovinghawk said:
A while back I went to the 'Ring. When I offered a couple of teens the chance to come with I heard "No point- I've driven it on a Playstation and can do it faster than you'll manage".
No concept of the real world, its risks & rewards.
Translation;No concept of the real world, its risks & rewards.
"We really really want to go. So much so that we would give anything to go. But if that means being a captive audience to your dumbass stories for the duration, then sorry, it's just not worth it."
jjlynn27 said:
Rovinghawk said:
A while back I went to the 'Ring. When I offered a couple of teens the chance to come with I heard "No point- I've driven it on a Playstation and can do it faster than you'll manage".
No concept of the real world, its risks & rewards.
Translation;No concept of the real world, its risks & rewards.
"We really really want to go. So much so that we would give anything to go. But if that means being a captive audience to your dumbass stories for the duration, then sorry, it's just not worth it."
jjlynn27 said:
Translation;
"We really really want to go. So much so that we would give anything to go. But if that means being a captive audience to your dumbass stories for the duration, then sorry, it's just not worth it."
For the benefit of us all- please STFU, there's a good chap."We really really want to go. So much so that we would give anything to go. But if that means being a captive audience to your dumbass stories for the duration, then sorry, it's just not worth it."
More consideration needs to be given to the pace of change; in technology and society.
Consider in Back to The Future, Marty McFly travels back 30 years to 1955, from 1985. There were a few differences between his life, and the life of his parents generation; but ultimately nothing revolutionary.
If BTTF was made in 2015, with Marty McFly going back to 1985... no mobile phones, let alone "smartphones". No internet; no google, no facebook, no snapchat, no instagram.
It's too simplistic to simply blame the kids, blame the parents, blame schools.
Consider in Back to The Future, Marty McFly travels back 30 years to 1955, from 1985. There were a few differences between his life, and the life of his parents generation; but ultimately nothing revolutionary.
If BTTF was made in 2015, with Marty McFly going back to 1985... no mobile phones, let alone "smartphones". No internet; no google, no facebook, no snapchat, no instagram.
It's too simplistic to simply blame the kids, blame the parents, blame schools.
Rovinghawk said:
jjlynn27 said:
Translation;
"We really really want to go. So much so that we would give anything to go. But if that means being a captive audience to your dumbass stories for the duration, then sorry, it's just not worth it."
For the benefit of us all- please STFU, there's a good chap."We really really want to go. So much so that we would give anything to go. But if that means being a captive audience to your dumbass stories for the duration, then sorry, it's just not worth it."
I really doubt that you speak for anyone with IQ higher than their shoe size.
jjlynn27 said:
Yes, shocking that they refused to go on a trip with you.
I really doubt that you speak for anyone with IQ higher than their shoe size.
Anything to add to the debate or just unprovoked insults?I really doubt that you speak for anyone with IQ higher than their shoe size.
Some people bring happiness wherever they go- I presume you bring happiness whenever you go.
esxste said:
More consideration needs to be given to the pace of change; in technology and society.
Consider in Back to The Future, Marty McFly travels back 30 years to 1955, from 1985. There were a few differences between his life, and the life of his parents generation; but ultimately nothing revolutionary.
If BTTF was made in 2015, with Marty McFly going back to 1985... no mobile phones, let alone "smartphones". No internet; no google, no facebook, no snapchat, no instagram.
It's too simplistic to simply blame the kids, blame the parents, blame schools.
Shhhhhh - don't say that.Consider in Back to The Future, Marty McFly travels back 30 years to 1955, from 1985. There were a few differences between his life, and the life of his parents generation; but ultimately nothing revolutionary.
If BTTF was made in 2015, with Marty McFly going back to 1985... no mobile phones, let alone "smartphones". No internet; no google, no facebook, no snapchat, no instagram.
It's too simplistic to simply blame the kids, blame the parents, blame schools.
This is PH and it is meant to be about how modern youth are total st and how we were all self sufficient and bad ass we all were aged 8.
Rovinghawk said:
jjlynn27 said:
Yes, shocking that they refused to go on a trip with you.
I really doubt that you speak for anyone with IQ higher than their shoe size.
Anything to add to the debate or just unprovoked insults?I really doubt that you speak for anyone with IQ higher than their shoe size.
Some people bring happiness wherever they go- I presume you bring happiness whenever you go.
jjlynn27 said:
I was trying to help you to understand why people didn't want to go with you, even to a place as exciting as the Ring. Rather simple cost/benefit analysis.
An adult went with me and loved every moment of it, but I can appreciate why you'd identify with the know-nothing kids.Me and my husband were having a conversation similar to this the other week, and I said that if there was a catastrophic event, loads of people died and we lost most things, like electricity, internet etc, then the under 20s would last about 3 days (and that was being generous). Without Google, they just simply don't have a clue. I'm surprised some of them have actually mastered breathing on their own to be honest!
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