Mollycoddled 'Snowflake children' warns head teacher

[anonymous-user]

Bring back National Service
Hold on - the oldies were saying the same thing 40 years ago!

[Funkycoldribena]

andy_s said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Randy Winkman said:

Exactly - but it's the Daily Telegraph, whose modus operandi is to tell us how things were better in the old days.

They were.

Well, apart from the rickets...

I'm talking about the 1980s not the 1880s!

[Ari]

Ari said:

Rovinghawk said:

GF's son- finished university, has no interest in even applying for any job below middle management, can't be bothered to learn to drive, ensconces himself in his room or his GF's room, seems to come out only to get food from the fridge or borrow a few quid from his mother.
Pointing anything out to him results in a statement that I (or his mother) just don't understand. He also points out that Corbyn will cure all the problems whereby he's not bothering to make anything of his life.

The driving is an interesting one. Apparently (and I can't find them unfortunately - I had a quick look) annual driving test numbers have plummeted! When I was 17 the race was on to see who could pass their test and get a car first. I actually can't think of many people under 20 who have passed their test, much less bought a car.

Just found this:

Record decline in teenagers learning to drive, figures show

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/10/record-...

100,000 less taking their test in one decade.

Apparently its the fault of tuition fees, which is odd because I thought most university students borrowed the money and didn't start paying it back until they were in full time employment and earning beyond a certain threshold.

[WinstonWolf]

Ari said:

WolfieBot said:

There's nothing remotely newsworthy about an adult putting down the generation after their own.

So you feel nothing's changed then? Young adults today are no different to young adults of 25 years ago, 50 years ago - it's just a matter of perspective?

This lot wouldn't last five minutes playing on a building site after dark...

[Vaud]

Ari said:

Just found this:

Record decline in teenagers learning to drive, figures show

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/10/record-...

100,000 less taking their test in one decade.

Apparently its the fault of tuition fees, which is odd because I thought most university students borrowed the money and didn't start paying it back until they were in full time employment and earning beyond a certain threshold.

Also in cities and big towns an Uber account is probably cheaper, manageable by parents and reasonably safe.

Increasingly common in the US for college kids not to have a car. Rent one way to get home, Uber for term.

[Ari]

Vaud said:

Also in cities and big towns an Uber account is probably cheaper, manageable by parents and reasonably safe.

Increasingly common in the US for college kids not to have a car. Rent one way to get home, Uber for term.

You still need a driving licence to rent a car...

[Byker28i]

Funkycoldribena said:

andy_s said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Randy Winkman said:

Exactly - but it's the Daily Telegraph, whose modus operandi is to tell us how things were better in the old days.

They were.

Well, apart from the rickets...

I'm talking about the 1980s not the 1880s!

The late 80's were horrendous, mortgage rates through the roofs, payments almost doubling, people losing their houses, repossessions , negative equity.

Leg warmers, the music (New kids on the Block, Milli Vanilli, Chris de Burgh, Russ Abbott in the charts!), video cassette tapes of either VHS or betamax, bland food...

[Mark Benson]

Ari said:

z4RRSchris said:

Rovinghawk said:

He also points out that Corbyn will cure all the problems whereby he's not bothering to make anything of his life.

And anyway, it's all the Tories fault, them and the baby boomers stole his future?

You make a point in jest but.....

If that generation feels there's no chance in them having the all things they've come to expect (house, car, leisure pursuits, gadgets) in a reasonable timescale, and that view is reinforced by politicians and the media, both traditional and social, then I can see why a proportion of them might think "Why bother? Might as well stay at home and let mum run around after me".

And if they have enabling parents who feel guilty (because they too believe the politicians and media and on top of that feel guilty that they were both out working/divorced/didn't do enough for their kids) and indulge this extended teenage sulk then you can easily see why we are where we are with some young people.

[Rovinghawk]

Vaud said:

Uber account is probably paid for by by parents and reasonably safe.

FTFY

[Vaud]

Rovinghawk said:

Vaud said:

Uber account is probably paid for by by parents and reasonably safe.

FTFY

Thanks. It's what I meant by "managed".

[Vaud]

Ari said:

Vaud said:

Also in cities and big towns an Uber account is probably cheaper, manageable by parents and reasonably safe.

Increasingly common in the US for college kids not to have a car. Rent one way to get home, Uber for term.

You still need a driving licence to rent a car...

True, but the barriers and costs are much lower in the US. I was just drawing a general comparison.

[otherman]

Mark Benson said:

Ari said:

z4RRSchris said:

Rovinghawk said:

He also points out that Corbyn will cure all the problems whereby he's not bothering to make anything of his life.

And anyway, it's all the Tories fault, them and the baby boomers stole his future?

You make a point in jest but......

I don't think that was in jest at all, he's quoting a widely used excuse to not do anything. People love to be able say its all someone else's fault. Plus Jeremy is on his way to give away lots of free money. Another reason not to bother.

[Rovinghawk]

I do think that the poor little lambs should be given sufficient training & incentive to stand on their own two feet by early adulthood. As per the OP, much of the blame can be laid at the door of overprotective/overindulgent parents.

[Lucas CAV]

Dr Jekyll said:

Ari said:

Interesting item in the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/snowfla...

From what I've seen, hard to argue with. This isn't a dig at the kids but the parents. My nephew is 16 yet still gets driven everywhere - I was riding a bike from A to B at 13, so at what point does he begin making his own way from place to place?

I look at friend's kids, some out of uni, who seem to have immediately returned to the womb that is their bedroom in the parental home, seemingly never to be seen again. No interest in relationships, careers (beyond a job that keeps them in the latest phone and computer game) or even really going out of the house.

It's not all kids certainly, and mollycoddled kids have always been amongst us. But it is beginning to feel like an epidemic...

I remember I and most of my schoolmates were walking to school from the age of 6. One of my friends at the time had his parents move house, basically from 1/2 mile South of the school to 3/4 mile North. So he walked to school from one house and walked to the new house after school. Unthinkable now.

Unthinkable due to the parent's generation.
Or do you want your 6year old to do it?

[Dr Jekyll]

Lucas CAV said:

Unthinkable due to the parent's generation.
Or do you want your 6year old to do it?

I don't have a 6 year old, but objectively I don't see why not.

[Vaud]

Dr Jekyll said:

Lucas CAV said:

Unthinkable due to the parent's generation.
Or do you want your 6year old to do it?

I don't have a 6 year old, but objectively I don't see why not.

I personally think 6 is a bit young. 8+ seems reasonable, quite a few kids walk to our primary school on their own.

[Ari]

It's an absolute fking log jam of parental cars around any school near me at arriving/going home time.

Maybe it was always this way and I didn't spot it when at school as I wasn't in a car, I was on a push bike.

[Ari]

otherman said:

Mark Benson said:

Ari said:

z4RRSchris said:

Rovinghawk said:

He also points out that Corbyn will cure all the problems whereby he's not bothering to make anything of his life.

And anyway, it's all the Tories fault, them and the baby boomers stole his future?

You make a point in jest but......

I don't think that was in jest at all, he's quoting a widely used excuse to not do anything. People love to be able say its all someone else's fault. Plus Jeremy is on his way to give away lots of free money. Another reason not to bother.

Nope, wasn't in jest, sadly...

[Rovinghawk]

I think there's a few things schools should teach:

Finance (interest, mortgages, credit cards, bankruptcy, BACS transfers, etc)
Home maintenance (basic how to wire a plug/change a fuse, drill/rawlplug/screw, polyfilla a hole, use a paintbrush/roller, etc)
How to use a main train or bus station sans internet
House purchase procedure and how renting works
The fact that it's a competitive world & there aren't prizes for all

[WinstonWolf]

Ari said:

It's an absolute fking log jam of parental cars around any school near me at arriving/going home time.

Maybe it was always this way and I didn't spot it when at school as I wasn't in a car, I was on a push bike.

When I was at school we weren't allowed inside however bad the weather was, we'd all huddle around like sodding penguins trying to keep warm. My kids were allowed in the canteen and could get hot chocolate with marshmallows FFS.