Dear University lecturers - get back to work

Dear University lecturers - get back to work

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johnfm

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13,668 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Boo fkign hoo.

New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.

Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.

Poor little dears.

Morningside

24,110 posts

228 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Then protest about higher student fees putting people off.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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johnfm said:
Boo fkign hoo.

New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.

Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.

Poor little dears.
Fair enough if the scheme changes for new entrants, but do feel sympathy for those who've been paying into the scheme for decades and are now told they may get far less than expected.

captain_cynic

11,873 posts

94 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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rscott said:
Fair enough if the scheme changes for new entrants, but do feel sympathy for those who've been paying into the scheme for decades and are now told they may get far less than expected.
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced.

New employees are already placed on the new scheme. What the union has asked for is for pensions up until now to be guaranteed with future contributions on the new scheme.

Not-The-Messiah

3,611 posts

80 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Morningside said:
Then protest about higher student fees putting people off.
How do you explain the record number of students attending university then? You are talking rubbish.

liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Not-The-Messiah said:
How do you explain the record number of students attending university then? You are talking rubbish.
Applications were down 4% last year and are also down this year , numbers are being held up by overseas students

mx5nut

5,404 posts

81 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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johnfm said:
Boo fkign hoo.

New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.

Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.

Poor little dears.
The defeatist attitude by some on here on employment issues is staggering. Their bosses must walk all over them!

lauda

3,446 posts

206 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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captain_cynic said:
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced.
That’s not actually correct. Their accrued benefits are not changing, only the benefit structure for future accrual.

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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lauda said:
That’s not actually correct. Their accrued benefits are not changing, only the benefit structure for future accrual.
Seems much more likely. Otherwise I would have some sympathy with their position.

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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liner33 said:
Applications were down 4% last year and are also down this year , numbers are being held up by overseas students
https://www.ucas.com/corporate/news-and-key-docume...

?

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Morningside said:
Then protest about higher student fees putting people off.
Even though it was the uni's that pushed for increasing of fees!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7946912.stm

Edited by Oakey on Thursday 22 February 14:28

Tony427

2,873 posts

232 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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lauda said:
captain_cynic said:
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced.
That’s not actually correct. Their accrued benefits are not changing, only the benefit structure for future accrual.
I beg to differ.

Which is why my Mrs is retiring early .

Cheers,

Tony



johnfm

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13,668 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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sidicks said:
lauda said:
That’s not actually correct. Their accrued benefits are not changing, only the benefit structure for future accrual.
Seems much more likely. Otherwise I would have some sympathy with their position.
EXACTLY.

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,668 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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mx5nut said:
johnfm said:
Boo fkign hoo.

New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.

Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.

Poor little dears.
The defeatist attitude by some on here on employment issues is staggering. Their bosses must walk all over them!
I'm a lawyer. I have little trouble negotiating my employment terms.

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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captain_cynic said:
rscott said:
Fair enough if the scheme changes for new entrants, but do feel sympathy for those who've been paying into the scheme for decades and are now told they may get far less than expected.
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced.

New employees are already placed on the new scheme. What the union has asked for is for pensions up until now to be guaranteed with future contributions on the new scheme.
Why should pension payments be guaranteed?

If contributions haven't been enough to avoid a deficit, why should the pension members not contribute more?

liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Vaud said:
October deadline! Not routine applications



liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Vaud said:
October deadline! Not routine applications



lauda

3,446 posts

206 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Tony427 said:
I beg to differ.

Which is why my Mrs is retiring early .

Cheers,

Tony
In what way are they changing benefits previously accrued?

southendpier

5,254 posts

228 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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one of my little Piers is a student is affected by these strikes:

"so before we make a journey to the Uni for a lecture, can you let us know when you'll be out so that we don't waste our time."

"No"

"So we still have to turn up to all lectures even though you may not be there?"

"Yes"

"What about follow on practical sessions, if you're there the practical will go ahead?"

"Can't tell you that. You'll just have to be there "

" and the parts of the course you don't teach us, they'll still be in the examinations?"

"naturally"

"OK, so for every day you're not teaching me on the course that I've paid £9k for, can I get my money back since I've worked it out myself?"

"ABSOLUTELY NOT, COMRADE WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER ....oooooh Jeremy COOOOr..BYN!"

Brave Fart

5,680 posts

110 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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oyster said:
Why should pension payments be guaranteed?

If contributions haven't been enough to avoid a deficit, why should the pension members not contribute more?
I suppose the pension members would say the the Universities, many of whom are rolling in cash, should make good on their contractual promise. Last time I looked, the University of Southampton (my local) had £140 million cash in the bank.
I fail to see how penalising students by strike action is fair, however, and I'd be very annoyed if I'd paid £9k tuition fees and this happened.