Dear University lecturers - get back to work
Discussion
johnfm said:
Boo fkign hoo.
New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.
Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.
Poor little dears.
Fair enough if the scheme changes for new entrants, but do feel sympathy for those who've been paying into the scheme for decades and are now told they may get far less than expected.New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.
Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.
Poor little dears.
rscott said:
Fair enough if the scheme changes for new entrants, but do feel sympathy for those who've been paying into the scheme for decades and are now told they may get far less than expected.
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced. New employees are already placed on the new scheme. What the union has asked for is for pensions up until now to be guaranteed with future contributions on the new scheme.
johnfm said:
Boo fkign hoo.
New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.
Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.
Poor little dears.
The defeatist attitude by some on here on employment issues is staggering. Their bosses must walk all over them!New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.
Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.
Poor little dears.
captain_cynic said:
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced.
That’s not actually correct. Their accrued benefits are not changing, only the benefit structure for future accrual. liner33 said:
Applications were down 4% last year and are also down this year , numbers are being held up by overseas students
https://www.ucas.com/corporate/news-and-key-docume...?
Morningside said:
Then protest about higher student fees putting people off.
Even though it was the uni's that pushed for increasing of fees!http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7946912.stm
Edited by Oakey on Thursday 22 February 14:28
lauda said:
captain_cynic said:
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced.
That’s not actually correct. Their accrued benefits are not changing, only the benefit structure for future accrual. Which is why my Mrs is retiring early .
Cheers,
Tony
mx5nut said:
johnfm said:
Boo fkign hoo.
New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.
Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.
Poor little dears.
The defeatist attitude by some on here on employment issues is staggering. Their bosses must walk all over them!New entrants now having to go onto defined contributions pensions.
Lecturers revolting at having to contribute to their pension and get out what they put in + growth instead of being allowed final salary pensions that future taxpayers will pay for.
Poor little dears.
captain_cynic said:
rscott said:
Fair enough if the scheme changes for new entrants, but do feel sympathy for those who've been paying into the scheme for decades and are now told they may get far less than expected.
And this is what the protest is about. People who've been working in academia for 10/20/40 years are suddenly being told their existing pension has been significantly reduced. New employees are already placed on the new scheme. What the union has asked for is for pensions up until now to be guaranteed with future contributions on the new scheme.
If contributions haven't been enough to avoid a deficit, why should the pension members not contribute more?
Vaud said:
October deadline! Not routine applications Vaud said:
October deadline! Not routine applications one of my little Piers is a student is affected by these strikes:
"so before we make a journey to the Uni for a lecture, can you let us know when you'll be out so that we don't waste our time."
"No"
"So we still have to turn up to all lectures even though you may not be there?"
"Yes"
"What about follow on practical sessions, if you're there the practical will go ahead?"
"Can't tell you that. You'll just have to be there "
" and the parts of the course you don't teach us, they'll still be in the examinations?"
"naturally"
"OK, so for every day you're not teaching me on the course that I've paid £9k for, can I get my money back since I've worked it out myself?"
"ABSOLUTELY NOT, COMRADE WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER ....oooooh Jeremy COOOOr..BYN!"
"so before we make a journey to the Uni for a lecture, can you let us know when you'll be out so that we don't waste our time."
"No"
"So we still have to turn up to all lectures even though you may not be there?"
"Yes"
"What about follow on practical sessions, if you're there the practical will go ahead?"
"Can't tell you that. You'll just have to be there "
" and the parts of the course you don't teach us, they'll still be in the examinations?"
"naturally"
"OK, so for every day you're not teaching me on the course that I've paid £9k for, can I get my money back since I've worked it out myself?"
"ABSOLUTELY NOT, COMRADE WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER ....oooooh Jeremy COOOOr..BYN!"
oyster said:
Why should pension payments be guaranteed?
If contributions haven't been enough to avoid a deficit, why should the pension members not contribute more?
I suppose the pension members would say the the Universities, many of whom are rolling in cash, should make good on their contractual promise. Last time I looked, the University of Southampton (my local) had £140 million cash in the bank.If contributions haven't been enough to avoid a deficit, why should the pension members not contribute more?
I fail to see how penalising students by strike action is fair, however, and I'd be very annoyed if I'd paid £9k tuition fees and this happened.
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