Stormzy’s attack on TM, justified or not?
Discussion
The Surveyor said:
gooner1 said:
I was refering to the inquiry, or rather the time it's taking to release
the results of, into Lakanal tower block in 2009.
And I was confirming that it has absolutly no relavance to this thread.... the results of, into Lakanal tower block in 2009.
the Lakanal inquiry, particulary re the Cladding used and it's
similarity to that used at Grenfell.
Purely so I can make my own mind up in respect of it's relevance here, and not have to rely on Stormzy, or you. TIA
Btw , you don't get to rule on the relevance of one subject to another,
as much as you wish that was the case.
It is kind of embarrassing that Stormzy is showcased as the best of Brits music. He sounds like a GCSE Music student and the Americans just laugh at the cheesy rap.
Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Yipper said:
It is kind of embarrassing that Stormzy is showcased as the best of Brits music. He sounds like a GCSE Music student and the Americans just laugh at the cheesy rap.
Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Him being wrong on one ethical issue does not preclude him from talking about another. Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Grime is starting to break America, indeed Drake signed to Boy Better Know records last year.
BJG1 said:
Yipper said:
It is kind of embarrassing that Stormzy is showcased as the best of Brits music. He sounds like a GCSE Music student and the Americans just laugh at the cheesy rap.
Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Him being wrong on one ethical issue does not preclude him from talking about another. Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Grime is starting to break America, indeed Drake signed to Boy Better Know records last year.
Lol. Every ~10 years since the 1960s someone comes along and says urban UK music is about to take the US by storm. Soul, London rap, grime, etc. And every time it fails. The Americans just cringe at the amateurish performances that sound and look like they come from a school play.
The Surveyor said:
gooner1 said:
The Surveyor said:
R8Steve said:
The only reason that most people will have heard of him is through his opinions on the Greenfell situation, not his music.
He was performing on the Brits because of his music's popularity, not his politics. Why should his appearance on the Brits exclude him from commenting on politics?
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The fact he took to opportunity to comment on Grenfell is upto him, it's his platform and he's free to use it as he feels fit. Some with think he's the people poet and a hero, other will think he's a dick.
That may well be the case on PH, but not in the bigger world outside.
Sorry if that doesn't suit your narrative.
As to what people think of him, I probably care less than he does himself
Yipper said:
He can say what he likes, it's a free(ish) country. But don't expect anyone who matters to take him seriously (beyond a few platitudes).
Lol. Every ~10 years since the 1960s someone comes along and says urban UK music is about to take the US by storm. Soul, London rap, grime, etc. And every time it fails. The Americans just cringe at the amateurish performances that sound and look like they come from a school play.
I'm not saying it's going to take the US by storm, it's still a relatively niche genre of music in the UK. It is making inroads in the US at the moment - whether it becomes much of a thing there remains to be seen. Arguably the world's biggest popstar is a massive fan and performing on stage with grime artists, it's not going to do it any harm. Lol. Every ~10 years since the 1960s someone comes along and says urban UK music is about to take the US by storm. Soul, London rap, grime, etc. And every time it fails. The Americans just cringe at the amateurish performances that sound and look like they come from a school play.
anonymous said:
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Not in London they don't. And specifically not in Croydon. Which is where Stormy is from. He wants to talk about something Political that's his right. I wish he hadn't been bought by the Labour party. But again that's his choice. But my issue is that whilst Grenfell was a disaster. (And hopefully only a one off) The number of BME young males killed by other BME young males in the last year has ALREADY dwarfed the total number of deaths in a tower block!
If he wants to make a positive, tangible contribution to his home town or city. He would do better than attacking the Government over Grenfell (It's become a political football. Wait till the investigation is finished then comment!) and focusing on the terrible things that happen every day!
I'm not saying him writing a track/making a statement about killing will change everything. But I imagine the families of victims would appreciate him raising the profile of this and attempting to help.
PS Did some of the posters above assume I'm white?
dazwalsh said:
From ITV
“Yo Theresa May, where’s the money for Grenfell?" Stormzy rapped.
I am still unable to make the connection between this undoubted tragedy and it being somehow the government's fault.“Yo Theresa May, where’s the money for Grenfell?" Stormzy rapped.
I had a fire at home a couple of years ago (2 fire engines attended) and have not asked Mrs May for money.
Grenfell Tower was insured by a Norwegian company - surely it is they who should be paying?
NDA said:
dazwalsh said:
From ITV
“Yo Theresa May, where’s the money for Grenfell?" Stormzy rapped.
I am still unable to make the connection between this undoubted tragedy and it being somehow the government's fault.“Yo Theresa May, where’s the money for Grenfell?" Stormzy rapped.
I had a fire at home a couple of years ago (2 fire engines attended) and have not asked Mrs May for money.
Grenfell Tower was insured by a Norwegian company - surely it is they who should be paying?
DeejRC said:
Christ Im going to sound like some 20something urban yoof sjw here but...
1. If you can't get that Blinded by Your Grace is a stand out song then Im not sure you had your ears open. And I say that as someone who more or less regards decent music as stopping when Freddie died.
2. The PM was used as merely a lightning rod for The Establishment. That is fairly standard fare.
3. If you heard any of his interview with Jo Whiley, then it easily obvious that he is well read, possesses a wide lexicon and quick witted to make use of it.
4. Music/popular culture has ALWAYS been a/the pop-off value for the younger generation to aim their shots at the Establishment. Its a free shot, open goal, echo chamber shout. Its also incredibly safe for both those offering the shots and those being aimed at. Its completely in the no harm-no foul rules of the game as it follows the conventions from both sides and leaves everyone happy.
5. Although the PM as an Establishment figure is a generic shot, the use of TM explicitly is also politically viable as she has frequently stated that her main interest in domestic politics is housing - or rather lack of it. Because she is so brutally weak though, her own political agenda has been reduced to half a paragraph on page 11 in The Sun - whilst she dances to the Brexit tune of BoGoMog.
Being someone who believes that a govt's job list should start: A. defend the nation, B: educate the nation, C: house the nation, I have no problem with someone putting a shot across the bows of a PM who allegedly has that as her number 1 priority.
Hell - anybody who has any of those as their number 1 priority, and frankly you can throw in transport the nation, power the nation and water the bloody nation, is well and truely entitled to feel somewhat less than enthusiastic at the current situation!
To anybody who seems to think the correct rebuttal to the above is: But Corbyn!! - I can only offer my own response: Dont be an arse.
Jezza is never getting into govt, in this Parliament, life or the next. Which of course only damns the current embodiment of the Tory party even more. They have a free shot at governing the country and to say they are making a dogs dinner of it would be insulting the nutritious properties of Pedigree Chum!
This govt is a shower and I have little sympathy with TM even though I think she is probably one of the Good Guys, etc. Either step up or bugger off luv, because wearing the big girl panties is the job.
1. If you can't get that Blinded by Your Grace is a stand out song then Im not sure you had your ears open. And I say that as someone who more or less regards decent music as stopping when Freddie died.
2. The PM was used as merely a lightning rod for The Establishment. That is fairly standard fare.
3. If you heard any of his interview with Jo Whiley, then it easily obvious that he is well read, possesses a wide lexicon and quick witted to make use of it.
4. Music/popular culture has ALWAYS been a/the pop-off value for the younger generation to aim their shots at the Establishment. Its a free shot, open goal, echo chamber shout. Its also incredibly safe for both those offering the shots and those being aimed at. Its completely in the no harm-no foul rules of the game as it follows the conventions from both sides and leaves everyone happy.
5. Although the PM as an Establishment figure is a generic shot, the use of TM explicitly is also politically viable as she has frequently stated that her main interest in domestic politics is housing - or rather lack of it. Because she is so brutally weak though, her own political agenda has been reduced to half a paragraph on page 11 in The Sun - whilst she dances to the Brexit tune of BoGoMog.
Being someone who believes that a govt's job list should start: A. defend the nation, B: educate the nation, C: house the nation, I have no problem with someone putting a shot across the bows of a PM who allegedly has that as her number 1 priority.
Hell - anybody who has any of those as their number 1 priority, and frankly you can throw in transport the nation, power the nation and water the bloody nation, is well and truely entitled to feel somewhat less than enthusiastic at the current situation!
To anybody who seems to think the correct rebuttal to the above is: But Corbyn!! - I can only offer my own response: Dont be an arse.
Jezza is never getting into govt, in this Parliament, life or the next. Which of course only damns the current embodiment of the Tory party even more. They have a free shot at governing the country and to say they are making a dogs dinner of it would be insulting the nutritious properties of Pedigree Chum!
This govt is a shower and I have little sympathy with TM even though I think she is probably one of the Good Guys, etc. Either step up or bugger off luv, because wearing the big girl panties is the job.
Yipper said:
BJG1 said:
Yipper said:
It is kind of embarrassing that Stormzy is showcased as the best of Brits music. He sounds like a GCSE Music student and the Americans just laugh at the cheesy rap.
Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Him being wrong on one ethical issue does not preclude him from talking about another. Stormzy has a track record of verbal homophobic abuse and pro-fur fashion support, so don't think he's really in a very good moral position to rant at May or others, especially when Labour laws and Labour councils in previous years (not just Tories) also contributed heavily to the Grenfell tragedy.
Grime is starting to break America, indeed Drake signed to Boy Better Know records last year.
Lol. Every ~10 years since the 1960s someone comes along and says urban UK music is about to take the US by storm. Soul, London rap, grime, etc. And every time it fails. The Americans just cringe at the amateurish performances that sound and look like they come from a school play.
DeejRC said:
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Being someone who believes that a govt's job list should start: A. defend the nation, B: educate the nation, C: house the nation,
a) Being someone who believes that a govt's job list should start: A. defend the nation, B: educate the nation, C: house the nation,
b)
c) Not a f
king chance! WHEN will people realise that a home is something you have to work for (be that rent or buy) Expecting the state to subsidise you is an outdated idea that ONLY worked when the population was significantly smaller than it is today!Rich_W said:
Not in London they don't. And specifically not in Croydon. Which is where Stormy is from.
He wants to talk about something Political that's his right. I wish he hadn't been bought by the Labour party. But again that's his choice. But my issue is that whilst Grenfell was a disaster. (And hopefully only a one off) The number of BME young males killed by other BME young males in the last year has ALREADY dwarfed the total number of deaths in a tower block!
If he wants to make a positive, tangible contribution to his home town or city. He would do better than attacking the Government over Grenfell (It's become a political football. Wait till the investigation is finished then comment!) and focusing on the terrible things that happen every day!
I'm not saying him writing a track/making a statement about killing will change everything. But I imagine the families of victims would appreciate him raising the profile of this and attempting to help.
PS Did some of the posters above assume I'm white?
I just assumed your name is Rich. I didn't assume anything in regard to the W though. He wants to talk about something Political that's his right. I wish he hadn't been bought by the Labour party. But again that's his choice. But my issue is that whilst Grenfell was a disaster. (And hopefully only a one off) The number of BME young males killed by other BME young males in the last year has ALREADY dwarfed the total number of deaths in a tower block!
If he wants to make a positive, tangible contribution to his home town or city. He would do better than attacking the Government over Grenfell (It's become a political football. Wait till the investigation is finished then comment!) and focusing on the terrible things that happen every day!
I'm not saying him writing a track/making a statement about killing will change everything. But I imagine the families of victims would appreciate him raising the profile of this and attempting to help.
PS Did some of the posters above assume I'm white?
Rich_W said:
DeejRC said:
...
Being someone who believes that a govt's job list should start: A. defend the nation, B: educate the nation, C: house the nation,
a) Being someone who believes that a govt's job list should start: A. defend the nation, B: educate the nation, C: house the nation,
b)
c) Not a f
king chance! WHEN will people realise that a home is something you have to work for (be that rent or buy) Expecting the state to subsidise you is an outdated idea that ONLY worked when the population was significantly smaller than it is today!I don't understand why anyone feels they are entitled to anything regarding Grenfell tower. Plenty of homes a buildings burn down every year. If you want something from it after you best hope you paid for insurance if not tough.
I have no idea what these people want or expect from the government.
Randy Winkman said:
I think some people are taking too seriously the details of who he is and exactly what he said. He's just a singer using a good opportunity to keep the pressure on the government/authorities on an issue that he and lots of other think is really important.
Do you really expect people to miss out on an opportunity to demonstrate how out of touch they are with the real world by pretending not to have heard of a popular musician!?Not-The-Messiah said:
The world of free state entitlement.
I don't understand why anyone feels they are entitled to anything regarding Grenfell tower. Plenty of homes a buildings burn down every year. If you want something from it after you best hope you paid for insurance if not tough.
I have no idea what these people want or expect from the government.
wow. I don't understand why anyone feels they are entitled to anything regarding Grenfell tower. Plenty of homes a buildings burn down every year. If you want something from it after you best hope you paid for insurance if not tough.
I have no idea what these people want or expect from the government.
Their houses burned down, their friends and family died, because the government and council didn't care enough about the safety of poor people. The Government is a proxy of society and the people in it, I think most of its participants want to help those who've been so badly failed.
BJG1 said:
wow.
Their houses burned down, their friends and family died, because the government and council didn't care enough about the safety of poor people. The Government is a proxy of society and the people in it, I think most of its participants want to help those who've been so badly failed.
Their houses burned down, their friends and family died, because the government and council didn't care enough about the safety of poor people. The Government is a proxy of society and the people in it, I think most of its participants want to help those who've been so badly failed.
Some here seem to completely lack any empathy whatsoever - because they simply can't imagine themselves or loved ones in the same situation.
BJG1 said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
The world of free state entitlement.
I don't understand why anyone feels they are entitled to anything regarding Grenfell tower. Plenty of homes a buildings burn down every year. If you want something from it after you best hope you paid for insurance if not tough.
I have no idea what these people want or expect from the government.
wow. I don't understand why anyone feels they are entitled to anything regarding Grenfell tower. Plenty of homes a buildings burn down every year. If you want something from it after you best hope you paid for insurance if not tough.
I have no idea what these people want or expect from the government.
Their houses burned down, their friends and family died, because the government and council didn't care enough about the safety of poor people. The Government is a proxy of society and the people in it, I think most of its participants want to help those who've been so badly failed.
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