Major incident at Salisbury District Hospital
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eharding said:
TTmonkey said:
effkay said:
Announced names that are thought to be false. Well that's a shocker. Takes them what, 6 months to come up with a photo of someone that probably left the country within hours of the event.
Disastrous said:
You come across as a very mean-spirited snob.
Fine, …..but totally realistic. You'd have to put all the police investigating this and all the clinicians looking after the victims in that same category because every single one of them will have considered their vulnerability and lifestyles when undertaking their work. But if you don't like me raising it as a point that I have considered, feel free to go and cry to your mummy, because she will at least care!
red_slr said:
Puggit said:
And as above, the perpetrators are probably dead now anyway.
Personally I would put money on them still being alive and kicking.On the CCTV front. There was no way they could complete this whole mission under a heavy disguise so they didn't even bother trying. That would have drawn attention.
All they had to do was make it off the end of the runway at Heathrow while the authorities back in Salisbury were still running around with barricade tape and checking the menu in Zizzis.
Cobnapint said:
red_slr said:
Puggit said:
And as above, the perpetrators are probably dead now anyway.
Personally I would put money on them still being alive and kicking.On the CCTV front. There was no way they could complete this whole mission under a heavy disguise so they didn't even bother trying. That would have drawn attention.
All they had to do was make it off the end of the runway at Heathrow while the authorities back in Salisbury were still running around with barricade tape and checking the menu in Zizzis.
And even after they got infected, how long until anyone had a clue what was happening?
Home free with zero risk in that case!
jcremonini said:
TTmonkey said:
effkay said:
Announced names that are thought to be false. Well that's a shocker. Takes them what, 6 months to come up with a photo of someone that probably left the country within hours of the event.
I would say it's a stunning piece of detective work all told.
Releasing it becomes a political decision and timing is likely to be used to draw attention from something politically inconvenient is SOP nowadays.
jcremonini said:
Correction - it took them 6 months to publish the photos. You have no idea as to how quickly they managed to come up with the evidence (The fact the UK government announced tough sanctions on Russia quite quickly after this happened and considering so many other countries followed suit suggests it was pretty fast).
I would say it's a stunning piece of detective work all told.
Agree. They would have had to have been on the case pdq. Most CCTV hardrives will automatically overwrite after about a month (depending on how many cameras you have, the size of the HDD and if it's on constant record or just motion).I would say it's a stunning piece of detective work all told.
p1stonhead said:
jcremonini said:
TTmonkey said:
effkay said:
Announced names that are thought to be false. Well that's a shocker. Takes them what, 6 months to come up with a photo of someone that probably left the country within hours of the event.
I would say it's a stunning piece of detective work all told.
Im guessing they started with god knows how many hours of CCTV around the Skripals house to look for people who could have been there around the approx time, then trace every lead back somewhere until it concluded whereby these guys were spotted getting off a plane from Moscow. Then I guess follow them forwards from the spotting near the Skripals until they got back on the plane to Moscow.
Fascinating.
I reckon it only took them a few days to find the people they have now named.
Good stuff however they did it. Unlike TTMonkey (who would have taken minutes) I am seriously impressed.
AreOut said:
GarageQueen said:
I can't understand why the suspects would expose themselves to so much CCTV coverage, or am I being naive?
How did they get the visa if they (likely) had criminal record? False names? Do you think our M16 operatives or CIA agents travel around the world using their real identities?
Yep. We were probably aware they were on UK soil the moment they stepped through customs. Perhaps deemed low risk or they kept their op so quiet we were not aware or they were in and out quick before a quick reaction team could find them? Who knows.
But this whole spy thing is a game, they wont care their faces are on CCTV - its like a big FU to HMG.
Their only issue, IMHO, is they failed their mission. Probably because the UK had some prior knowledge of the agent and managed to get specialist treatment for them... again a big FU to the KGB eatl.
Your move!
But this whole spy thing is a game, they wont care their faces are on CCTV - its like a big FU to HMG.
Their only issue, IMHO, is they failed their mission. Probably because the UK had some prior knowledge of the agent and managed to get specialist treatment for them... again a big FU to the KGB eatl.
Your move!
poo at Paul's said:
Disastrous said:
You come across as a very mean-spirited snob.
Fine, …..but totally realistic. You'd have to put all the police investigating this and all the clinicians looking after the victims in that same category because every single one of them will have considered their vulnerability and lifestyles when undertaking their work. But if you don't like me raising it as a point that I have considered, feel free to go and cry to your mummy, because she will at least care!
The broader point is that without detailed knowledge of how novichok interacts with a subject (which I’m assuming you don’t have), it’s hard to know how much of the damage was done by novichok and how much by his lifestyle.
Given that, more polite people are inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, particularly when Russian agents are running around the UK with nerve agents, and place the blame at the Kremlin’s door.
You’ve chosen a more sneering and supercilious tack, preferring instead to point out that you recovered from meningitis and that you wouldn’t be caught picking up perfume found in the street.
Mission accomplished though-I’m quite sure nobody here thinks you’re a down at heel alcoholic.
4x4Tyke said:
If it was sanctioned I can't see Putin using and burning a trained/experienced spy that could be traced back to the regime. He is going to want to maintain plausible deniability and that means a disposable asset, at best some low level grunts and they would probably be complacent. If it was unsanctioned a highly skilled asset is even less likely.
I'd agree if they are not already dead they soon will be for being tracked and exposed.
And you've also forgotten about Lugovoi and Kovtun. Where are they now?I'd agree if they are not already dead they soon will be for being tracked and exposed.
Putin doesn't need plausible deniability. He wants to be seen as the strong man protecting Russian interests. Killing (or at least trying) treasonous spies sends a message to FSB/GRU agents (Skripal, Litvinenko, etc) who might be tempted to betray the motherland.
red_slr said:
Yep. We were probably aware they were on UK soil the moment they stepped through customs. Perhaps deemed low risk or they kept their op so quiet we were not aware or they were in and out quick before a quick reaction team could find them? Who knows.
But this whole spy thing is a game, they wont care their faces are on CCTV - its like a big FU to HMG.
Their only issue, IMHO, is they failed their mission. Probably because the UK had some prior knowledge of the agent and managed to get specialist treatment for them... again a big FU to the KGB eatl.
Your move!
In hindsight, the Russians don't seem to have made any real effort to cover their tracks - whether through incompetence or not giving a toss. But this whole spy thing is a game, they wont care their faces are on CCTV - its like a big FU to HMG.
Their only issue, IMHO, is they failed their mission. Probably because the UK had some prior knowledge of the agent and managed to get specialist treatment for them... again a big FU to the KGB eatl.
Your move!
You'd hope in the reverse situation, we'd be a lot more professional.
So when Putin comes to a grisly end in a tragic bathroom-related incident, being gored to death by a killer whale that somehow ended up in the bath with him, I'm pretty sure there won't be any evidence linking it to the UK.
eharding said:
So when Putin comes to a grisly end in a tragic bathroom-related incident, being gored to death by a killer whale that somehow ended up in the bath with him, I'm pretty sure there won't be any evidence linking it to the UK.
FFS! Loose lips 
Sorry lads, your covers blown.
eharding said:
The Telegraph said:
They stayed in the two-star City Stay Hotel, in Bow, east London, during their stay in the UK.
Officers searching their room on May 4 discovered traces of Novichok, but Scotland Yard said there is no risk to other guests.
Well, that explains why the authorities are so certain it was these two.Officers searching their room on May 4 discovered traces of Novichok, but Scotland Yard said there is no risk to other guests.
gothatway said:
I was puzzled that "traces of Novichok" were found, yet the hotel hasn't been taken apart (and buried!) - but then is Novichok a two-factor agent requiring mixing before becoming active ? Perhaps it was traces of those components which were found.
None of this adds up.Traes of Novichok are found yet the police say nothing and the hotel remains open, with people even staying in the actual room.
Meanwhile Zizzi remains closed despite plenty of people using it in the days after the poisoning, it was also full of police and restaurant staff the next day (there's a photo of this). And yet vehicles where NO traces have been found have to be crushed and buried 'just in case'.
What aren't we being told?
Edited by zarjaz1991 on Wednesday 5th September 22:04
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