Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s

[frankenstein12]

NoNeed said:

frankenstein12 said:

Alpinestars said:

bhstewie said:

I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.

To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.

Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.

Tommy is a martyr to the cause. This is the best thing that he could have hoped for. All his bigoted supporters now think the government have an agenda against ordinary people and may have dropped a clanger that Karius would be embarrassed about.

No it really isnt. People saying his life is at risk in prison are very much correct. He is a target. While he may not end up getting killed he could end up getting extremely badly hurt with life changing injuries.

He has already been beaten up, the police lied to his solicitor saying he would be released so don't bother with the long drive meaning Tommy has to use the free court one that had no knowledge of the case.

Anybody who thinks what happened is ok, I sincerely hope it never happens to you

This taken from Facebook

Mohammed Beesnatch
2 hrs
Two days ago an independent journalist stood outside a court to report on a child rape case.
He had been told by the police that he was within his rights to do so.

Shortly afterwards he was arrested for “breach of the peace”.
All he had done was stand outside filming.

Whilst he was under arrest the police told his family, friends and solicitor that he was due to be released.
Within an hour he was taken to a private courtroom, in front of a judge without his solicitor.
The judge issued him a 13 month prison sentence.
The judge also issued a media blackout on the case.

I thought kangaroo courts were only operated in 3rd world countries and communist states?
What happened to our right to a fair trial?
A right that our ancestors fought and died for?
I thought this was the UK not Soviet Russia?

And to top things off, people are laughing about it, they mock this man, say “it serves him right” etc.
This man puts his life, freedom and reputation on the line to warn people of certain issues in this country, the sacrifice he made on Friday was a prime example of this.
Those people won’t laugh and mock him when their family or friends become a victim of the very people he tries to expose.

This country will burn to the ground one day, and the people who stayed silent, the people who turned a blind eye, the people who abused and attacked anyone who spoke out and tried to prevent this, will realise what they’ve done.

Never have I been so embarrassed of my own country as I have been for the past two days.

Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 27th May 12:26

I would take that tweet with a pinch of salt. We know he was locked up within 2hrs. Apparently there is a tweet out there from his solicitor alleging she was told he was being released so she did not need to attend the polcie station if true then I will take as fact.

We know on previous time locked up he was in fights but to be honest in his place I would do the same. I would do whatever was needed to make sure i spent my time behind bars in seg.

As to the hero wording phrasing personally i think that is taking things too far.

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 27th May 12:57

[NoNeed]

berlintaxi said:

And you can't read

[rscott]

frankenstein12 said:

coyft said:

Harassing defendants as they turn up for court and streaming it live can never be a good thing for the judicial process. He was warned, took no notice and has suffered the consequences.

Did he?

If so that was monumentally stupid on his part as its what got him locked up the first time. On one hand he would deserve to have his license revoked on the other hand I do worry about this sort of thing. I havent seen footage showing him doing so due to the media ban.

I am all for those accused of rape to be allowed their privacy till found guilty but once found guilty I see no reason they should be granted silence. I think the whole idea of silencing the press or media from reporting on court cases is a deeply worrying trend.

To me it allows for abuse of law to protect tyranny so to speak. People being allowed to apply for or courts being allowed to apply reporting gag orders seems very wrong to me.
If a case is granted a gagging order we the public do not know about it and as such if a member of or our government does wrong and is granted a gagging order we wont know about because no one will be allowed to report it.

Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 27th May 12:45

The "gagging orders" are only in place until all the related trials are completed - that's obvious from the reporting of the many cases across the mainstream media. Identifying those accused in one case quite conceivably affect the trials of other known associates.

The restrictions don't apply permanently.

[Alpinestars]

frankenstein12 said:

Alpinestars said:

bhstewie said:

I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.

To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.

Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.

Tommy is a martyr to the cause. This is the best thing that he could have hoped for. All his bigoted supporters now think the government have an agenda against ordinary people and may have dropped a clanger that Karius would be embarrassed about.

No it really isnt. People saying his life is at risk in prison are very much correct. He is a target. While he may not end up getting killed he could end up getting extremely badly hurt with life changing injuries.

In which case he shouldn’t be such a retarded dick.

[BJG1]

NoNeed said:

Never have I been so embarrassed of my own country as I have been for the past two days.

Amazing. Anybody who's looked at the news over the past few weeks and is more embarrassed of their country over this than the Windrush scandal needs to take a long fking look at themselves.

[bitchstewie]

frankenstein12 said:

Of course they can and none of us know the exact terms of his license. What concerns me is the fact that so far as I am aware he was recording and there were polcie present who said and did nothing for a while. Then a bunch turned up mob handed and arrested him for breach of the peace.

The series of events is out basically.

If people were not permitted to record outside the courtroom why did the police who weer present allow him to keep filming until the mob who turned up and arrested him turned up?
Why did the mob who turned up and arrested him arrest him for breach of the peace instead of breach of license terms as they would have known who he is and what the terms of his license are?
I was going to ask why he was processed through the system in record time especially given it was a friday but I think if i am to give a wide angle of leniency maybe it was so they could avoid having to hold him in a police cell for the weekend.

Maybe they thought that it was prudent to wait for more officers to avoid any of Tommy's chums from kicking off. Who knows?

Point is he could have been out on a license that simply said "Don't be seen outside a courtroom with a camera whilst you're on license".

I think sometimes it's easy to see conspiracy that just accept he's a bit dim sometimes.

[frankenstein12]

TonyToniTone said:

frankenstein12 said:

As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.

Why should he be politely asked to stop? He has already has been found guilty of doing the same thing before and must understand the consequences of his actions.

I am not saying that should be a requirement here. Yet again you miss the point.

There were police present for quite a while apparently who were ignoring him filming. If his filming was an issue why did they those police not immediately arrest him for breaching terms of his license or ask him to stop filming either or?

If we were to assume they didnt know who he was why did not they not ask him not to film?
If we assume they knew who he was why did they not arrest him immediately?

[Jazzy Jag]

Dindoit said:

A question to those sympathetic to Tommy’s plight; if Anjem Choudary or Abu Hamza had been sent to jail without the public being told exactly what for would you be satisfied or would you be saying it’s 1984, freedom of speech, police state etc?

Waythist!

[rscott]

AreOut said:

coyft said:

Isn't it more about how justice is served? How the court process works, innocent until proven guilty, respecting judges and their rulings?

Honestly if you're going to flout all this, what do you expect is going to happen? He was given a warning and disregarded it.

There should still be a due process, and this happened too quickly I'd say. Maybe there is some other case where someone on a probation got sentenced in a couple of hours but I haven't heard of it.

What's probation got to do with Robinson? He was dealt with for contempt of court for breaching the terms of his suspension.

[berlintaxi]

rscott said:

He was dealt with for contempt of court for breaching the terms of his suspension.

Far too logical for the "free Tommy" morons.

[frankenstein12]

bhstewie said:

frankenstein12 said:

Of course they can and none of us know the exact terms of his license. What concerns me is the fact that so far as I am aware he was recording and there were polcie present who said and did nothing for a while. Then a bunch turned up mob handed and arrested him for breach of the peace.

The series of events is out basically.

If people were not permitted to record outside the courtroom why did the police who weer present allow him to keep filming until the mob who turned up and arrested him turned up?
Why did the mob who turned up and arrested him arrest him for breach of the peace instead of breach of license terms as they would have known who he is and what the terms of his license are?
I was going to ask why he was processed through the system in record time especially given it was a friday but I think if i am to give a wide angle of leniency maybe it was so they could avoid having to hold him in a police cell for the weekend.

Maybe they thought that it was prudent to wait for more officers to avoid any of Tommy's chums from kicking off. Who knows?

Point is he could have been out on a license that simply said "Don't be seen outside a courtroom with a camera whilst you're on license".

I think sometimes it's easy to see conspiracy that just accept he's a bit dim sometimes.

I am not arguing whether he breached the terms of his license as it appears he did which IMO would be pretty stupid and he would get what he deserves.

What I am arguing is the fact the series of events surrounding his arrest and conviction seem very strange and worrying.

Even if we allow for the excuse the police were waiting for backup in case his "mob" got out of hand I am still curious why he was arrested under the terms he was (not breach of license which they will have known) and why he was processed through the system so fast and why his solicitor was apparently misled.

[bitchstewie]

frankenstein12 said:

I am not arguing whether he breached the terms of his license as it appears he did which IMO would be pretty stupid and he would get what he deserves.

What I am arguing is the fact the series of events surrounding his arrest and conviction seem very strange and worrying.

Even if we allow for the excuse the police were waiting for backup in case his "mob" got out of hand I am still curious why he was arrested under the terms he was (not breach of license which they will have known) and why he was processed through the system so fast and why his solicitor was apparently misled.

I'm sure it'll all come out in his appeal or when his solicitor goes public with events.

FWIW I don't want Tommy Robinson being arrested simply for being Tommy Robinson, but for that to be the case seems a stretch of the imagination v a lot of simpler alternatives.

[chrispmartha]

frankenstein12 said:

Alpinestars said:

bhstewie said:

I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.

To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.

Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.

Tommy is a martyr to the cause. This is the best thing that he could have hoped for. All his bigoted supporters now think the government have an agenda against ordinary people and may have dropped a clanger that Karius would be embarrassed about.

No it really isnt. People saying his life is at risk in prison are very much correct. He is a target. While he may not end up getting killed he could end up getting extremely badly hurt with life changing injuries.

Then he should have kept to yhe conditions of his bail, he’s clearly a bit stupid.

[Noodle1982]

220,000+ signatures.

To steal one of the SJW's favourite terms, a great showing of solidarity.

[rscott]

frankenstein12 said:

TonyToniTone said:

frankenstein12 said:

As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.

Why should he be politely asked to stop? He has already has been found guilty of doing the same thing before and must understand the consequences of his actions.

I am not saying that should be a requirement here. Yet again you miss the point.

There were police present for quite a while apparently who were ignoring him filming. If his filming was an issue why did they those police not immediately arrest him for breaching terms of his license or ask him to stop filming either or?

If we were to assume they didnt know who he was why did not they not ask him not to film?
If we assume they knew who he was why did they not arrest him immediately?

Was he just filming all the time or did he attempt to speak to the defendants at some point?

Found this comment over on arrse - if it's accurate it explains why he could have been arrested while filming. If he'd simply stepped over that line, it would have been sufficient.

"Leeds combined court has a precinct line in the brick work surrounding the building to allow people to come and go without undue interference. Anywhere within that line is considered inside the court itself where sound and video recording is forbidden by law. Those who disobey are in contempt of court. From what I saw Robinson was within that limit and therefore liable to be arrested and brought before the judge for that and whatever else he's supposed to have down as well."

[berlintaxi]

coyft said:

berlintaxi said:

Noodle1982 said:

coyft said:

200,000 plus signatures....

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy...

I was just about to post the same thing.

In a matter of days that petition is already just outside the top ten of most popular online UK petitions of all time.

I guess we can safely assume you have both signed it.

Presumption is the mother of ignorance.

My apologies then.

[Dindoit]

Noodle1982 said:

220,000+ signatures.

To steal one of the SJW's favourite terms, a great showing of solidarity.

The petition to make Jeremy Clarkson PM reached 50k. The one to get him reinstated on Top Gear topped 1m.

Those petitions are moronic

[rscott]

The judge's ruling and sentencing remarks for his previous conviction (the one he was on a suspended sentence for) - https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...

[rscott]

Noodle1982 said:

220,000+ signatures.

To steal one of the SJW's favourite terms, a great showing of solidarity.

Not quite caught up with the Alfie's Army petition then.

Or anywhere near the one wanting Trump's visit cancelled.

Strangely, those were condemned by many on here as pathetic and a waste of time or even just snowflake central. Yet the one supporting TR is suddenly of great importance?

[bitchstewie]

Judge at original trial said:

In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon, turn up at another court, refer to people as "Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists" and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside. Do you understand? Thank you very much.

BOOM!