Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s

[ben5575]

Pothole said:

Kccv23highliftcam said:

References.

the law said:

Section 31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 creates three racially or religiously aggravated public order offences.
31(1) A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he commits -


(a) an offence under section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986 (fear or provocation of violence);
(b) an offence under section 4A of that Act (intentional harassment, alarm or distress); or
(c) an offence under section 5 of that Act (harassment, alarm or distress),

which is racially or religiously aggravated for the purposes of this section.

They're effectively the same offence whether racially or religiously aggravated.

Correct. Same offence is the key phrase. Whether defined as a 'Racial Group' or a 'Religious Group' it is the same legal offence under the same legislation.

[ben5575]

Noodle1982 said:

La Liga said:

Noodle1982 said:

Could a white person be convicted of racism against a white muslim?

Yes.

It’d depend on the motivation / demonstration of hostility as to whether it would be racially or religiously aggravated.

That's a no then.

Nobody can be 'convicted of racism' because there isn't a 'racism' law. The crime and disorder act 98 as amended deals with both racially and religiously aggravated crime; you would be convicted under this legislation depending on the particular offence.

I'm being pedantic to head off your pedantry. So the answer to your question is no they wouldn't, but that's because the law as you've presented it in your question doesn't exist (you win ). Can a white person be convicted for hate crime against white muslim under the existing legislation, then absolutely they can (you lose ).

Edited by ben5575 on Saturday 22 September 18:36

[colin_p]

The way things are going I can see blasphemy laws being introduced.

[rscott]

colin_p said:

The way things are going I can see blasphemy laws being introduced.

Re-introduced you mean? We had them, but they were abolished in 2008.

Which makes St Tommy of Luton's recent claim that he's been charged with blasphemy seem somewhat suspect.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

ben5575 said:

Pothole said:

Kccv23highliftcam said:

References.

the law said:

Section 31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 creates three racially or religiously aggravated public order offences.
31(1) A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he commits -


(a) an offence under section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986 (fear or provocation of violence);
(b) an offence under section 4A of that Act (intentional harassment, alarm or distress); or
(c) an offence under section 5 of that Act (harassment, alarm or distress),

which is racially or religiously aggravated for the purposes of this section.

They're effectively the same offence whether racially or religiously aggravated.

Correct. Same offence is the key phrase. Whether defined as a 'Racial Group' or a 'Religious Group' it is the same legal offence under the same legislation.

Yes. We know that.

So where is the specific Anti reference alluded so to diligently by Alpinestars??

normalisation of deviance ?

[Alpinestars]

Kccv23highliftcam said:

Yes. We know that.

So where is the specific Anti reference alluded so to diligently by Alpinestars??

normalisation of deviance ?

Did you read what I posted and what I said? If not, can I suggest you do.

[anonymous-user]

Noodle1982 said:

La Liga said:

Noodle1982 said:

Could a white person be convicted of racism against a white muslim?

Yes.

It’d depend on the motivation / demonstration of hostility as to whether it would be racially or religiously aggravated.

That's a no then.

Why is it a no?

ben5575 said:

Nobody can be 'convicted of racism' because there isn't a 'racism' law. The crime and disorder act 98 as amended deals with both racially and religiously aggravated crime; you would be convicted under this legislation depending on the particular offence.

I'm being pedantic to head off your pedantry. So the answer to your question is no they wouldn't, but that's because the law as you've presented it in your question doesn't exist (you win ). Can a white person be convicted for hate crime against white muslim under the existing legislation, then absolutely they can (you lose ).

I assumed his point was one based around trying to find some flaw with both people being the same ethnicity, rather than actually focusing on whether the offence was literally and simply “racism” - although he may now cling on to that.

[ben5575]

That was my assumption as well. The point I was making is that the white non Muslim would still be prosecuted under the same ‘racism’ laws regardless of his ethnicity.

I think he’s mistakenly arguing a narrow dictionary definition and applying it to the law rather than using the actual wider legal definition and applying it to the law. I suppose the white non Muslim in his example could argue that point as he’s escorted out of court to begin his jail sentence.

[e30m3Mark]

I see he’s putting out videos complaining about the prospect of his return to jail next week. He really does appear think he’s very hard done by and innocent of any wrongdoing.

[Dindoit]

Our boy Tommy here inside the Old Bailey for his trial for contempt of court. Outside stands many true patriots.

https://twitter.com/kthopkins/status/1045265199836...

Filming inside the Old Bailey is apparently itself contempt of court. Hopkins tweeting that video might be contempt too. I would honestly soil myself laughing if he goes down and she has to take it down.

[Alpinestars]

Dindoit said:

Our boy Tommy here inside the Old Bailey for his trial for contempt of court. Outside stands many true patriots.

https://twitter.com/kthopkins/status/1045265199836...

Filming inside the Old Bailey is apparently itself contempt of court. Hopkins tweeting that video might be contempt too. I would honestly soil myself laughing if he goes down and she has to take it down.

Will these people never learn to respect and abide by our laws.

[Dindoit]

The proudest patriots

[Boydie88]

For someone who claims to dislike him so much, you do seem to post a spectacular amount about him.

[Dindoit]

Boydie88 said:

For someone who claims to dislike him so much, you do seem to post a spectacular amount about him.

For someone who hates Muslims so much, you do seem to post a spectacular amount about them.

[Alpinestars]

Boydie88 said:

For someone who claims to dislike him so much, you do seem to post a spectacular amount about him.

What’s abnormal about that? You’d not post stuff about someone you were indifferent to.

[Dindoit]

Independent reporter was tweeting





Which makes this particularly funny

[del mar]

Dindoit said:

Our boy Tommy here inside the Old Bailey for his trial for contempt of court. Outside stands many true patriots.

https://twitter.com/kthopkins/status/1045265199836...

Filming inside the Old Bailey is apparently itself contempt of court. Hopkins tweeting that video might be contempt too. I would honestly soil myself laughing if he goes down and she has to take it down.

You would actually st yourself if a man is sent to jail ?

[e30m3Mark]

Saw some footage of the ''huge crowd'' outside the Old Bailey this morning.

[Noodle1982]

Today's other hearings at The Old Bailey...

Manish Shah - Accused of sexually abusing 20 women. The youngest being 15

Salih Khater - Accused of attempted murder. He allegedly deliberately drove his car at cyclists and pedestrians outside the Houses of Parliament.

Mohammad Siddiq - Accused of putting up Facebook posts supporting terrorism.

Ahmed Aweys and two others - Accused of terror offences including the dissemination of terrorist publications

Mohammed Ahad - Accused of the dissemination of terrorist publications


Ironic.

[NerveAgent]

Dindoit said:

Our boy Tommy here inside the Old Bailey for his trial for contempt of court. Outside stands many true patriots.

https://twitter.com/kthopkins/status/1045265199836...

Filming inside the Old Bailey is apparently itself contempt of court. Hopkins tweeting that video might be contempt too. I would honestly soil myself laughing if he goes down and she has to take it down.

Well she might need a free place to stay...