How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

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CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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Mrr T said:
True its opinion. My opinion is based on having spent 30 years in various parts of the FS business. Also having a full understanding of the regulatory environment for passporting and selling FS in the EU. Obviously it best to ignore experts.
How's your prediction of 400,000 city job losses going?

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
The point is both campaigns were fundamentally flawed. Remain tried to frighten everyone, leave promised whatever people wanted.

Criticising one but not the other because you happen to side with one is unfair.
rofl

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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gooner1 said:
rofl
You think one sides campaign was fair and reasonable then?

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
You think one sides campaign was fair and reasonable then?
Nope, I just can't remember you ever saying anything
disparaging about Remain.
I can't say the same re your views on Brexit though. scratchchin

Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

242 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Do you regard as ' promises ' the mass unemployment, recession, Nissan buggering off and half a hundred other similar of the Remain campaign stuff ?
The point is both campaigns were fundamentally flawed. Remain tried to frighten everyone, leave promised whatever people wanted.

Criticising one but not the other because you happen to side with one is unfair.
I would agree. But I don't see too many Remainers who'll say the same or word as ' promises ' what could never be promises, only one side is really presenting it as such.
I don't consider I was promised a recession or all the other things, I was warned this is what people thought might happen, but to word it as such seems a little disingenuous, bordering on propaganda.

The biggest problem with Brexit currently is everyone thinks they still have a good chance of reversing it completely, or effectively staying in the EU in all but name with the SM and CU. You aren't getting stories like the £6 visa fee etc for no reason. When it finally dawns on people that we will leave, it might be the time when people get serious. If anyone thinks the EU aren't stoking this with some hope of getting the 75% pro Remain Commons and HoL to get what they want, I'd suggest they are blind.

Watching QT last night was enlightening to see some just carried on with the pre referendum ' you'll all be poor ' and the doom laden predictions, just as if the failure to get the predictions right after the vote are meaningless in a 'sure we predicted doom and disaster and that never happened, but this time....' .




turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
You think one side's campaign was fair and reasonable then?
Generalisations are too generalised.

Both sides were well into terminological inexactitudes so the idea that one side was fair and reasonable is not only too general it's a strawman question.

One side had the weight of the government behind it including the PM and Chancellor, abused the civil service, and their whoppers were larger.

There's nothing close to equivalence about the two positions.

Tuna

19,930 posts

283 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
gooner1 said:
rofl
You think one sides campaign was fair and reasonable then?
Both sides had their loony moments.

However, on the whole the debate from Leave was "we could do X, Y and Z outside of the EU" - which the Remain side are now interpreting as absolute promises (down to the timing and exact stages of a negotiating process that has never been tried before).

The Remain side went for more absolutes "leaving will cause immediate, dire consequences for the economy".

To be clear, David Davis has a habit of making over optimistic predictions which make for embarrassing quotes - however, there is a world of difference between a prediction of an uncertain process and 'expert research' presented as irrefutable facts. The Guardian article desperately wants Davis' comments to be treated as 'facts' that turned out to be 'lies', but that depends on believing that every interview he has given is in some way a legally binding commitment.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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One side got £9m of taxpayers' money to tell their lies.......was that fair?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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alfie2244 said:
One side got £9m of taxpayers' money to tell their lies.......was that fair?
I seem to recall shortly after the referendum was announced I got a UKIP leaflet through the door paid for by the EU.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
One side got £9m of taxpayers' money to tell their lies.......was that fair?
I seem to recall shortly after the referendum was announced I got a UKIP leaflet through the door paid for by the EU.
How disgusting if true...........hope you registered your displeasure by voting to leave.

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
One side got £9m of taxpayers' money to tell their lies.......was that fair?
I seem to recall shortly after the referendum was announced I got a UKIP leaflet through the door paid for by the EU.
It didn't arrive here. Did it involve £9m of UK taxpayers' money, or more?

If not then it's not equivalent.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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alfie2244 said:
How disgusting if true...........hope you registered your displeasure by voting to leave.
I did better, I recycled it.

tongue out

paul789

3,676 posts

103 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
How disgusting if true...........hope you registered your displeasure by voting to leave.
I did better, I recycled it.

tongue out
Surely too glossy for that?

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
How disgusting if true...........hope you registered your displeasure by voting to leave.
I did better, I recycled it.

tongue out
So the EU gave UKIP money to produce a leaflet to influence a vote and not only did you not vote you threw the leaflet into the recycling bin..........what a waste of our taxpayers money...I bet they didn't even charge UKIP for a blue plaque to stick outside their offices.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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alfie2244 said:
So the EU gave UKIP money to produce a leaflet to influence a vote and not only did you not vote you threw the leaflet into the recycling bin..........what a waste of our taxpayers money...I bet they didn't even charge UKIP for a blue plaque to stick outside their offices.
It's all fair, the Government one went the same way, as do all my voting cards.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
So the EU gave UKIP money to produce a leaflet to influence a vote and not only did you not vote you threw the leaflet into the recycling bin..........what a waste of our taxpayers money...I bet they didn't even charge UKIP for a blue plaque to stick outside their offices.
It's all fair, the Government one went the same way, as do all my voting cards.
So you just like wasting taxpayers' money.............Have you thought about online voting? Or would that mean putting your PC in the recycling bin as well?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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alfie2244 said:
So you just like wasting taxpayers' money.............Have you thought about online voting? Or would that mean putting your PC in the recycling bin as well?
Do you think people should be forced to vote?

andymadmak

14,489 posts

269 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
So you just like wasting taxpayers' money.............Have you thought about online voting? Or would that mean putting your PC in the recycling bin as well?
Do you think people should be forced to vote?
No, but then again they should not be complaining that they didn't get the result they wanted if they couldn't be bothered to take part in the vote......

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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PurpleMoonlight said:
alfie2244 said:
So you just like wasting taxpayers' money.............Have you thought about online voting? Or would that mean putting your PC in the recycling bin as well?
Do you think people should be forced to vote?
No but I think they should only be allowed to whinge once about the result if they don't vote....after that they should be ridiculed.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 27th April 2018
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alfie2244 said:
No but I think they should only be allowed to whinge once about the result if they don't vote....after that they should be ridiculed.
The wonders of free speech don't you know.
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