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esxste said:
Anyone who's ever been in a similar situation as Alfie's parents and family should struggle to blame them for grasping at any desperate hope.
You are utterly powerless, save for hoping beyond the limits of hope that your loved one recovers.
It is the snake oil salesman turned vultures of despair offering empty promises and false hopes that deserve our judgement.
100% but the Italian treatment wasn't to cure or improve just to keep alive. You are utterly powerless, save for hoping beyond the limits of hope that your loved one recovers.
It is the snake oil salesman turned vultures of despair offering empty promises and false hopes that deserve our judgement.
Europa1 said:
I do wish media outlets would be more careful with their language: over the last couple of days I have heard a few refer to the child being taken overseas for "treatment", which implies some sense of possible improvement, as opposed to continuing the status quo.
It’s one of the reasons I was a bit miffed as to why he wasn’t allowed to go. I’m not sure whether it’s the media trying to stir up trouble, or because journalists are not as good as they once were.
I have just read up properly about what is going on.
Alfie is a victim here. But the hospital and the judge are not the perpatrators of the crime.
I cannot figure out whether the people in 'Alfie's army' are thick or selfish or both. His father is certainly both.
The principal basis of objection I have seen is that people 'would do anything for their kids and keep fighting' - given the situation they are either in denial, or are more preoccupied with their own impression of themselves as a parent, or how others see them as a parent.
The actual welfare of the child seems to be coming a distant second.
The reasoning that whole panels of Doctors and judges are doing it to deliberately kill a child that can viably be saved is thoroughly demented.
Yet people are buying in. I bloody hate people
Alfie is a victim here. But the hospital and the judge are not the perpatrators of the crime.
I cannot figure out whether the people in 'Alfie's army' are thick or selfish or both. His father is certainly both.
The principal basis of objection I have seen is that people 'would do anything for their kids and keep fighting' - given the situation they are either in denial, or are more preoccupied with their own impression of themselves as a parent, or how others see them as a parent.
The actual welfare of the child seems to be coming a distant second.
The reasoning that whole panels of Doctors and judges are doing it to deliberately kill a child that can viably be saved is thoroughly demented.
Yet people are buying in. I bloody hate people
Vocal Minority said:
I have just read up properly about what is going on.
Alfie is a victim here. But the hospital and the judge are not the perpatrators of the crime.
I cannot figure out whether the people in 'Alfie's army' are thick or selfish or both.His father is certainly both.
The principal basis of objection I have seen is that people 'would do anything for their kids and keep fighting' - given the situation they are either in denial, or are more preoccupied with their own impression of themselves as a parent, or how others see them as a parent.
The actual welfare of the child seems to be coming a distant second.
The reasoning that whole panels of Doctors and judges are doing it to deliberately kill a child that can viably be saved is thoroughly demented.
Yet people are buying in. I bloody hate people
BothAlfie is a victim here. But the hospital and the judge are not the perpatrators of the crime.
I cannot figure out whether the people in 'Alfie's army' are thick or selfish or both.His father is certainly both.
The principal basis of objection I have seen is that people 'would do anything for their kids and keep fighting' - given the situation they are either in denial, or are more preoccupied with their own impression of themselves as a parent, or how others see them as a parent.
The actual welfare of the child seems to be coming a distant second.
The reasoning that whole panels of Doctors and judges are doing it to deliberately kill a child that can viably be saved is thoroughly demented.
Yet people are buying in. I bloody hate people
Jasandjules said:
TurbosSuck said:
. How long before laws are changed to bend to the will of the perceived masses? Perhaps this has already started to happen…
Tell me again, what do you think a Democracy is?begins with a P...
Hayek said:
Sway said:
DrDeAtH said:
Simple solution:
Offer the parents and 'Alfies army' the child.
Say we have done all that is possible.
All yours, just sign this form to say you can't fix him, and then be on your way..
No legal recourse, nothing.
There was 120k in the gofundme this morning....
I understand this view is highly unpopular, so don't bother flaming me.
Not going to 'flame you' - however the problem with that is it enshrines the false view that a parent has 'rights' over a child, as though they are property. Offer the parents and 'Alfies army' the child.
Say we have done all that is possible.
All yours, just sign this form to say you can't fix him, and then be on your way..
No legal recourse, nothing.
There was 120k in the gofundme this morning....
I understand this view is highly unpopular, so don't bother flaming me.
Quite simply, parents don't have rights. They have a level of discretion afforded to them in how they deliver on their obligations.
e30m3Mark said:
Just had a brief scan of the ITV This Morning FaceBook page, after they had a couple of doctors give their perspective earlier today. My goodness, there are some absolute cretins out there! Some of the conspiracy theories really do beggar belief.
The comments are something else. My favourite was that they are going to give him a lethal injection at 1200 on Monday.Dibble said:
CharlieH89 said:
Alfie Evans passed away at 0230 this morning.
Which of course, won’t be the end of it. I hope his family get the chance to grieve in peace, but I rather suspect not.The Alder Hey medical team, doctors, nurses etc will be back at work again today. Doing an unenviable job trying to save the lives of children. All without an 'army' of FaceBookers proffering support at every corner!
Spare a thought for them, as after caring for the child for so long, they will most certainly be feeling sad at his passing no matter what the circumstances and events of recent days.
Spare a thought for them, as after caring for the child for so long, they will most certainly be feeling sad at his passing no matter what the circumstances and events of recent days.
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