Multiculturalsim

[Alpinestars]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Alpinestars said:

You still haven’t been able to address the sexy dress/hijab conundrum?

I've not because in not sure what I actually said and can't be bothered going through my posts to find out.

But what I think you are referring to is my opinion that the girls at the PC club after being asked to wear revealing dress at a male only event were most will be intoxicated shouldn't have been so shocked in receiving unwanted attention. I'm sure I made it clear that this doesn't excuse the men doing it. But life is about taking rational decisions based on the fact that there will always be good and bad around us so any sensible person should make choices and decisions to mitigate this.

Now I don't really understand this link with the hijab you keep making is. I don't remember ever saying the girls at the PC club never should be stopped from wearing what they want the exact opposite in fact.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Monday 23 April 20:24

The problem was that you were excusing the men at the PC club because the women who dressed the way they did, should have known better. Men will be men, therefore women should dress appropriately. Isn't that the reason for hijab? You condone "conservative" attire, but only if it's non Muslims? A woman never knows when she's going to meet a man with prehistoric views like yours, so surely has a right to dress defensively? Heck you even encourage it - when it's not Muslims.

That was my point. You're full of inconsistencies and contradictions. Just like Del Boy.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Alpinestars said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Alpinestars said:

You still haven’t been able to address the sexy dress/hijab conundrum?

I've not because in not sure what I actually said and can't be bothered going through my posts to find out.

But what I think you are referring to is my opinion that the girls at the PC club after being asked to wear revealing dress at a male only event were most will be intoxicated shouldn't have been so shocked in receiving unwanted attention. I'm sure I made it clear that this doesn't excuse the men doing it. But life is about taking rational decisions based on the fact that there will always be good and bad around us so any sensible person should make choices and decisions to mitigate this.

Now I don't really understand this link with the hijab you keep making is. I don't remember ever saying the girls at the PC club never should be stopped from wearing what they want the exact opposite in fact.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Monday 23 April 20:24

The problem was that you were excusing the men at the PC club because the women who dressed the way they did, should have known better. Men will be men, therefore women should dress appropriately. Isn't that the reason for hijab? You condone "conservative" attire, but only if it's non Muslims? A woman never knows when she's going to meet a man with prehistoric views like yours, so surely has a right to dress defensively? Heck you even encourage it - when it's not Muslims.

That was my point. You're full of inconsistencies and contradictions. Just like Del Boy.

I'm not full of inconsistencies and contradictions it's just you and others keep making your own assumption on what I and others say.

My entire argument for the PC club is that things like it should be allowed as long as people concent and perhaps people shouldn't be so naive sometimes. I never excused the behaviour of some of the men if they grouped the girls. And if they did so should be held responsible for it.

Its like parking a nice car in a st area no one will excuse the piece of s*** that attacks it and in a Ideal world you should be able to park it anywhere. But any sensible person would think about were they leave their car because we don't live in a Ideal world.

You seem to think this is like wearing the hijab and perhaps it is in a some country's were men really don't seem to be able to behave themselves it is.

But to in a westen country its daft, if anything it's seems to increase the possibility of an attack.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Tuesday 24th April 13:49

[del mar]

rscott said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No but del mar appears to be suggesting the only positive is that Asians with large families tend to look after their relatives.

Give me positive ones.

I appear to be the only person to come with a positive cultural influence and I think it has failed.

Any country that regularly appears in the "Top 10 worst places to be a Woman" is unlikely to offer us any cultural benefits - although stoning for adultery would reduce divorce rates...

Worst countries to be Gay are nearly identical.

My Turkish community in North London, for the third time of asking (anybody not yourself) what cultural benefits have they brought to the wider UK society ?

Even Poland (yes it Eu), we all love the poles, but what cultural benefits have they brought to the UK, they are the most represented EU country in our Prison Service.

[del mar]

rscott said:

del mar said:

Countdown said:

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

There was no issue answering the question.

The mail again !! I am sure if I quoted that you would be pointing out what right wing nonsense it is.
That said reading the article;

Could cost £6b a year, which includes direct and indirect costs - maybe it does.

The article finishes by saying the drinks industry provides £11.5b in vat and duty.

So are you actually saying that Our drinking culture actually provides £5.5b of income to the treasury ?

On the contrary non eu migrants costs the economy £10-15b a year in fiscal costs let alone social and cultural issues.

To address the drinking issue is a good thing, to even mention the cost of immigration / multiculturalism makes you racist ?

A figure which isn't broken down at a by country, yet you somehow have decided that those of Asian origin (especially Pakistani) are the biggest drain on our finances.

Some group is not contributing to society, and there will always be one more than the others - which country / region do you think it is ?

It doesn't bother me if it is Nigerians, Somalians, Jamaicans.

[rscott]

del mar said:

rscott said:

del mar said:

Countdown said:

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

There was no issue answering the question.

The mail again !! I am sure if I quoted that you would be pointing out what right wing nonsense it is.
That said reading the article;

Could cost £6b a year, which includes direct and indirect costs - maybe it does.

The article finishes by saying the drinks industry provides £11.5b in vat and duty.

So are you actually saying that Our drinking culture actually provides £5.5b of income to the treasury ?

On the contrary non eu migrants costs the economy £10-15b a year in fiscal costs let alone social and cultural issues.

To address the drinking issue is a good thing, to even mention the cost of immigration / multiculturalism makes you racist ?

A figure which isn't broken down at a by country, yet you somehow have decided that those of Asian origin (especially Pakistani) are the biggest drain on our finances.

Some group is not contributing to society, and there will always be one more than the others - which country / region do you think it is ?

It doesn't bother me if it is Nigerians, Somalians, Jamaicans.

i've no idea which country/region it might be, for the simple reason that no-one's actually done the research on it.

[rscott]

del mar said:

rscott said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No but del mar appears to be suggesting the only positive is that Asians with large families tend to look after their relatives.

Give me positive ones.

I appear to be the only person to come with a positive cultural influence and I think it has failed.

Any country that regularly appears in the "Top 10 worst places to be a Woman" is unlikely to offer us any cultural benefits - although stoning for adultery would reduce divorce rates...

Worst countries to be Gay are nearly identical.

My Turkish community in North London, for the third time of asking (anybody not yourself) what cultural benefits have they brought to the wider UK society ?

Even Poland (yes it Eu), we all love the poles, but what cultural benefits have they brought to the UK, they are the most represented EU country in our Prison Service.

Give me multiple positives for any immigrant group, whether EU or not.

[del mar]

rscott said:

i've no idea which country/region it might be, for the simple reason that no-one's actually done the research on it.

So I could be correct ?

[ape x]

So a women wearing a short skirt is 'asking for it'....... men have no control over their urges, its down to the women?

Del Mar.....Tell me your take on 16 year old girls hanging around taxi ranks and kebab shops in exchange for booze....

[Alpinestars]

del mar said:

Give me positive ones.

I appear to be the only person to come with a positive cultural influence and I think it has failed.

Any country that regularly appears in the "Top 10 worst places to be a Woman" is unlikely to offer us any cultural benefits - although stoning for adultery would reduce divorce rates...

Worst countries to be Gay are nearly identical.

My Turkish community in North London, for the third time of asking (anybody not yourself) what cultural benefits have they brought to the wider UK society ?

Even Poland (yes it Eu), we all love the poles, but what cultural benefits have they brought to the UK, they are the most represented EU country in our Prison Service.

How about you give us the unique positive ones that encompass our culture?

[KrissKross]

ape x said:

You are correct.... now apply that logic to the money we gain from immigration to the money it costs us... I think you will find we are in profit...

Please share the maths.

[Coolbanana]

del mar said:

My Turkish community in North London, for the third time of asking (anybody not yourself) what cultural benefits have they brought to the wider UK society ?

You really are so entrenched in your xenophobia that you come across as a bit retarded; how can you not see what the Turkish Community has provided?

Most of the North London Turks are Cypriots, they have through hard work and entrepreneurial prowess over the last 100 years established the humble kebab as a cultural culinary food icon in the UK, as recognisable as the Indian curry. The Turkish Culture is a fascinating one and London is privileged to have a Turkish Community that adds it's own flavour and colour to the city in the form of Art, Business, Culture and, food. It is basically, Little Cyprus and allows Londoners of all backgrounds to have a taste of something different.

Given that Turkish-Cypriots have been established in North London for a Century now, they have as much right to be there as you do. It is in fact, grossly insulting of you, aside from the obvious ignorance, to even ask what they have contributed in terms of benefits to the wider community. Happily, people with your pathetic mind-set are in the minority and not representative of Modern Britain; indeed, you are a disgrace and an embarrassment to the UK if you postings here are truly reflective of who you are.

[rscott]

del mar said:

rscott said:

i've no idea which country/region it might be, for the simple reason that no-one's actually done the research on it.

So I could be correct ?

You could also be completely and utterly wrong. There's no decent evidence whatsoever to support or condemn any particular group, only anecdotal tales.

[Countdown]

del mar said:

Give me positive ones.

I appear to be the only person to come with a positive cultural influence and I think it has failed.

Any country that regularly appears in the "Top 10 worst places to be a Woman" is unlikely to offer us any cultural benefits - although stoning for adultery would reduce divorce rates...

Worst countries to be Gay are nearly identical.

My Turkish community in North London, for the third time of asking (anybody not yourself) what cultural benefits have they brought to the wider UK society ?

Even Poland (yes it Eu), we all love the poles, but what cultural benefits have they brought to the UK, they are the most represented EU country in our Prison Service.

When you think about it, It is actually quite a stupid question to ask. Migrants bring some or all parts of their culture, but it's not something that they are offering or the host country demands. There's no immigration application form that sets out what an immigrant's cultural requirements are. So the correct response to somebody asking "what cultural benefits do you bring?" would be "Go shove an aubergine up your arrse".

However to answer it (and this has already been said before) different cultures bring different things - food, music, language, clothes, religion. Some aspects you might like, others you might not but there is no obligation on immigrants to adapt their culture solely for your benefit. You might argue that actually immigrant culture dilutes your own local culture but that suggests a weakness in your culture rather than any shortcoming in theirs.

It was St George's day yesterday and yet I hardly heard anything on the news. When we were kids my local Scout Group would join up with others on SGD for a march but I don't see anything like that happening nowadays. However St Patrick's Day seems to go from strength to strength. Instead of moaning about other cultures I'd suggest getting off your arse and doing something to promote them.

[zippy3x]

del mar said:

Even Poland (yes it Eu), we all love the poles, but what cultural benefits have they brought to the UK, they are the most represented EU country in our Prison Service.

The Poles invented the Bombe machine in the 1930's which Alan Turing refined to break the Enigma codes. (there is a plaque at Bletchley park to commemorate the fact)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombe


The No.303 Polish Fighter Squadron of the RAF scored more kills during the battle of Britain than any other squadron.

So in summary, if it wasn't for the Poles, the british culture you seem to value, would have significantly more bratwurst and lederhosen.

[ape x]

KrissKross said:

ape x said:

You are correct.... now apply that logic to the money we gain from immigration to the money it costs us... I think you will find we are in profit...

Please share the maths.

I simply said apply that logic, i never said i'd work it out myself.

I used to be very angry at taxation for example, i used to earn a good amount of cash and saw a big chunk disappear every month...then i'd see scum bags going to get fags and booze most likely on benefits....

Eventually i started to look at the tax on booze and fags and could see that this money that goes on benefits is rarely into an abyss.... the tax from fags and booze goes back to the government....as does the whole industry involved all employing people down to the drivers who take the fags and booze to the shops.... loads of cash...
Its all a big circle pretty much... so same with immigration, even ones working in fields cash in hand are spending some money here in shops, the farmer pays tax etc etc etc....so the actual stats on stuff can be twisted how you like...

As pointed out with the booze stat, costing 4-6bn means nothing without the fact the industry makes back 11bn to the UK.....

This will be a logic that applies to immigration...now i personally would think we are by he same logic in profit....willing to be proved wrong..and if i am blame the governments..which no one seems to do because they have us all fighting between ourselves.....
The UK makes st loads a day, i know that much.....

[WinstonWolf]

Immigrants, can't park for fking toffee...

[s1962a]

del mar said:

ape x said:

Del Mar i'd like your answer as to why the ratio of prison population to the 'group' makes any difference how you should treat that group as a whole...

Anyone have any stats on Brits representation in foreign prisons is? Like say in Thailand?

It doesn’t, I agreed with you 1 black criminal doesn’t make all blacks criminals.

I agree that the percentages are small, but almost all of our migrants groups are over represented in the prison system.

I don’t believe you can split multiculturalism and immigration, they are linked. The immigrants brought the culture.

To asses whether immigration / multiculturalism has worked you have to look at all aspects the good and the bad. Importing a disproportionate amount of criminals doesn’t appear to have been a positive benefit.

Thailand- no idea. If they want to import all our pedos then that is up to them, hell I would even support making a modest contribution for everyone they take.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5643655/Sw...

Are these peados still part of the same culture you come from then Del Mar? Or do they recounce their right to be anything wholesome and British when they go and do stuff like this?

[del mar]

s1962a said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5643655/Sw...

Are these peados still part of the same culture you come from then Del Mar? Or do they recounce their right to be anything wholesome and British when they go and do stuff like this?

They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.

Every country in the world suffers from it.

[del mar]

I concede defeat.

They appear to cost us a fortune, have brought social and cultural problems with them, but we have Kebabs and Curry.

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has courted growing anti-immigrant opinion in Germany by claiming the country's attempts to create a multicultural society have "utterly failed".
Taken from the Guardian 17/10/2010.

Perhaps you lot could point out where she is wrong.

[Gary29]

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