Passport refused over a handshake
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Exige77 said:
Just checking, if your above mentioned daughter in law refused to shake hands in order to get British citizenship would that be OK ?
In her country it would not be normal for her to shake hands with a stranger. When meeting her female siblings I did not attempt to shake their hands despite being almost 'one of the family'. I felt it wrong to impose my culture on them. Derek Smith said:
In her country it would not be normal for her to shake hands with a stranger. When meeting her female siblings I did not attempt to shake their hands despite being almost 'one of the family'. I felt it wrong to impose my culture on them.
I refer back to breadvans post. Some cultures are superior to others. That last sentance puts you in the 'libatard' category.
Derek Smith said:
In her country it would not be normal for her to shake hands with a stranger. When meeting her female siblings I did not attempt to shake their hands despite being almost 'one of the family'. I felt it wrong to impose my culture on them.
But in the OPs example, the woman isn't in her country is she.....surely that's the point.She is trying to become a citizen of a new county - but then trying to impose the culture of her former country on the country she is trying to become a citizen of.
What is it about her former countries culture that trumps French culture?
Derek Smith said:
Exige77 said:
Just checking, if your above mentioned daughter in law refused to shake hands in order to get British citizenship would that be OK ?
In her country it would not be normal for her to shake hands with a stranger. When meeting her female siblings I did not attempt to shake their hands despite being almost 'one of the family'. I felt it wrong to impose my culture on them. 
Frank7 said:
Countdown said:
Frank7 said:
I had a great-uncle who was slightly wounded by a booby trap bomb during the Algerian conflict in the late fifties.
If he was still around, he’d have campaigned for this woman’s deportation, and my French family, and me, would have been right beside him.
Was your great-uncle one of those fighting to maintain French rule over Algeria?If he was still around, he’d have campaigned for this woman’s deportation, and my French family, and me, would have been right beside him.
In the 1950s, the battle cry, Algerie Française, (French Algeria, or more to the point, Algeria is French), was on a lot of French patriots lips.
If you were a citizen of La République in the 1950s, and a bunch of insurgents began to bomb buildings, and shoot French soldiers and policemen in the street, in a part of the world that you recognised as part of your country, perhaps you wouldn’t be reluctant to go and “do your bit.” either.
irocfan said:
CoupeTeddy said:
I certainly would be "doing my bit" but that would be exactly what I wanted to do, and not what someone told me to do, or expected me to do!
Spoken like someone who can't imagine the different mindset and culture a century ago
Breadvan72 said:
Fairly predictable del mar response. Shouldn't you be off on a Brown Shirt parade or toasting fifty years of St Enoch of Powell, or something?
Using your example of gender equality.Lists of The top 10 worst countries to be a woman always have the same countries in them.
Not wanting immigration from these “inferior culture” countries is a bad thing ?
irocfan said:
CoupeTeddy said:
I certainly would be "doing my bit" but that would be exactly what I wanted to do, and not what someone told me to do, or expected me to do!
Spoken like someone who can't imagine the different mindset and culture a century agoMoonhawk said:
But in the OPs example, the woman isn't in her country is she.....surely that's the point.
She is trying to become a citizen of a new country - but then trying to impose the culture of her former country on the country she is trying to become a citizen of.
What is it about her former countries culture that trumps French culture?
Pardon my obvious bias, but as someone with more than a soupçon of French blood, thereShe is trying to become a citizen of a new country - but then trying to impose the culture of her former country on the country she is trying to become a citizen of.
What is it about her former countries culture that trumps French culture?
are very few countries that come even close to French culture, let alone trumping it.
I don’t want to re-start the 100 years War, so I’ll agree that the majority of Brits are nice too.
Edited by Frank7 on Sunday 22 April 12:08
Breadvan72 said:
The problem with "when in Rome" taken straight is that it would require every woman living in Somalia to have FGM. Cultural relativism can be a bad thing. I think that we should not be shy about asserting that some cultures (note I said cultures, not ethnicities) are objectively superior to others. The culture that has produced Western liberal democracy and which has (belatedly) recognised gender equality is superior to cultures that subordinate women. Cultures are, of course, both learnable and changeable.
equating a handshake to FGM is ludicrous. Not running around Somalia in a bikini might be a more appropriate comparison, something any westerners with half a brain would expect to do and would expect of others.Woman of the article appears to have failed the attitude test. Boo hoo, you're a moron.
Exige77 said:
Derek Smith said:
Exige77 said:
Just checking, if your above mentioned daughter in law refused to shake hands in order to get British citizenship would that be OK ?
In her country it would not be normal for her to shake hands with a stranger. When meeting her female siblings I did not attempt to shake their hands despite being almost 'one of the family'. I felt it wrong to impose my culture on them. Derek Smith said:
Exige77 said:
Derek Smith said:
Exige77 said:
Just checking, if your above mentioned daughter in law refused to shake hands in order to get British citizenship would that be OK ?
In her country it would not be normal for her to shake hands with a stranger. When meeting her female siblings I did not attempt to shake their hands despite being almost 'one of the family'. I felt it wrong to impose my culture on them. 
CoupeTeddy said:
Smiler. said:
CoupeTeddy said:
Strange that a lot of PH people want to impose their 1950's culture on those of us who will never do what they want, they can try with me, they will lose
Right on
CoupeTeddy said:
Oh another self entitled idiot who thinks they can tell me what to do, I've met lots of you, I've walked over your cars parked on the pavement, I've squeezed passed in a leather jacket with studs (oh dear lots of scratches), I've left someone to drown in a river because I hated them (perfectly legal), so I, don't do what you scum want me to do, and there's no way you can change me!
Just how many times have you been chucked out of that pram?
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