Passport refused over a handshake
Discussion
CoupeTeddy said:
andy_s said:
He should have just left some wet wipes on the windscreen...
You lot all scream and cry when your car gets scratches from parking on the pavement or dents in the roof, hope you can all laugh when it happens :rolf:
Meandering across cars trying to count letters on your fingers, muttering to yourself "I just don't get it. I'm certain that's how you spell 'rolf' and yet when I type it I cant get a rolly yellow ball in my posts.I'd ask for help and advice but its just too close to being told what to do"
If it's someone you hate I'd imagine hauling them out of the water would be far more advantageous, they would literally owe you their life, lots of leverage there.
Of course if they continued being a complete arse even after that you'd be perfectly entitled to leave them to drown the next time it happened.
Of course if they continued being a complete arse even after that you'd be perfectly entitled to leave them to drown the next time it happened.
irocfan said:
The thing is it's not necessarily a religious thing WRT shaking hands - it's just as likely to be cultural
I don't think it's a religious thing in Islam. I seemed to remember something about orthodox jewish people sitting encased in transparent plastic bags when travelling on airplanes to avoid touching women so I did a quick google and this came up....UKIP's "Rampant Rabbi" caught in sex roleplay scandal
Countdown said:
irocfan said:
The thing is it's not necessarily a religious thing WRT shaking hands - it's just as likely to be cultural
I don't think it's a religious thing in Islam. I seemed to remember something about orthodox jewish people sitting encased in transparent plastic bags when travelling on airplanes to avoid touching women so I did a quick google and this came up....UKIP's "Rampant Rabbi" caught in sex roleplay scandal
First one that comes up on google
https://www.al-islam.org/some-questions-related-wo...
Whether people follow that or not is up to them.
del mar said:
You quoting the Daily mail !!!
First one that comes up on google
https://www.al-islam.org/some-questions-related-wo...
Whether people follow that or not is up to them.
Fascinating. If you knew this already one can only wonder what the reason was for you asking the question in your original post..............First one that comes up on google
https://www.al-islam.org/some-questions-related-wo...
Whether people follow that or not is up to them.
Anyway I'm guessing you didn't read the link you posted.
Al Islam said:
In Islamic Jurisprudence, there are key rules such as "No difficulty" and "No Harm". According to the rules the primarily religious edicts change totally and are substitute with secondary edicts. I have expressed 99 rules on this in my book "Al Ghavaed Al Fiqhiah".
The general rule is that there should be no handshake between opposite sexes except where the relationship is intimate as explained above. However, in non-Muslim countries in certain situation and emergencies it may become necessary to shake hands with the opposite sex. The situations for Muslim men not shaking hands with non-Muslim women may result in distress or substantial damage or it causes problem and the man is unable to explain the reason of his action (of not shaking hands) or it is contrary to the common law of that area. In this case contact is permitted on the condition that he does not have the intention of sensual pleasure and it is an emergency situation.
Personally I think it's waffle but, as can be seen, whatever "edict" that exists doesn't say it's a definite no-no.The general rule is that there should be no handshake between opposite sexes except where the relationship is intimate as explained above. However, in non-Muslim countries in certain situation and emergencies it may become necessary to shake hands with the opposite sex. The situations for Muslim men not shaking hands with non-Muslim women may result in distress or substantial damage or it causes problem and the man is unable to explain the reason of his action (of not shaking hands) or it is contrary to the common law of that area. In this case contact is permitted on the condition that he does not have the intention of sensual pleasure and it is an emergency situation.
Have you ever met a muslim female in real life?
Nanook said:
CoupeTeddy said:
Oh another self entitled idiot who thinks they can tell me what to do, I've met lots of you, I've walked over your cars parked on the pavement, I've squeezed passed in a leather jacket with studs (oh dear lots of scratches), I've left someone to drown in a river because I hated them (perfectly legal), so I, don't do what you scum want me to do, and there's no way you can change me!
See, when you take it too far like this, no-one believes you. You destroy any tiny shred of credibility you may have had, with such pathetic lies.
2/10. You're doing it wrong.
irocfan said:
Nanook said:
CoupeTeddy said:
Oh another self entitled idiot who thinks they can tell me what to do, I've met lots of you, I've walked over your cars parked on the pavement, I've squeezed passed in a leather jacket with studs (oh dear lots of scratches), I've left someone to drown in a river because I hated them (perfectly legal), so I, don't do what you scum want me to do, and there's no way you can change me!
See, when you take it too far like this, no-one believes you. You destroy any tiny shred of credibility you may have had, with such pathetic lies.
2/10. You're doing it wrong.
Countdown said:
del mar said:
You quoting the Daily mail !!!
First one that comes up on google
https://www.al-islam.org/some-questions-related-wo...
Whether people follow that or not is up to them.
Fascinating. If you knew this already one can only wonder what the reason was for you asking the question in your original post..............First one that comes up on google
https://www.al-islam.org/some-questions-related-wo...
Whether people follow that or not is up to them.
Anyway I'm guessing you didn't read the link you posted.
Al Islam said:
In Islamic Jurisprudence, there are key rules such as "No difficulty" and "No Harm". According to the rules the primarily religious edicts change totally and are substitute with secondary edicts. I have expressed 99 rules on this in my book "Al Ghavaed Al Fiqhiah".
The general rule is that there should be no handshake between opposite sexes except where the relationship is intimate as explained above. However, in non-Muslim countries in certain situation and emergencies it may become necessary to shake hands with the opposite sex. The situations for Muslim men not shaking hands with non-Muslim women may result in distress or substantial damage or it causes problem and the man is unable to explain the reason of his action (of not shaking hands) or it is contrary to the common law of that area. In this case contact is permitted on the condition that he does not have the intention of sensual pleasure and it is an emergency situation.
Personally I think it's waffle but, as can be seen, whatever "edict" that exists doesn't say it's a definite no-no.The general rule is that there should be no handshake between opposite sexes except where the relationship is intimate as explained above. However, in non-Muslim countries in certain situation and emergencies it may become necessary to shake hands with the opposite sex. The situations for Muslim men not shaking hands with non-Muslim women may result in distress or substantial damage or it causes problem and the man is unable to explain the reason of his action (of not shaking hands) or it is contrary to the common law of that area. In this case contact is permitted on the condition that he does not have the intention of sensual pleasure and it is an emergency situation.
Have you ever met a muslim female in real life?
How does that differ from a Hadith (or is it actually one)?
FTR, I did shake hands with a lady Muslim when I worked in a Muslim country. More than one, actually.
Countdown said:
Personally I think it's waffle but, as can be seen, whatever "edict" that exists doesn't say it's a definite no-no.
Have you ever met a muslim female in real life?
In an emergency a Muslim man may shake a woman’s hand, although it may cause pain and distress .... if he can’t explain the emergency.Have you ever met a muslim female in real life?
Yes I have !
We have been on holiday (as families) many times. She is also an immigrant !!!!!
To date she has never tried to kill me although there are times when I imagine she would like to.
del mar said:
In an emergency a Muslim man may shake a woman’s hand, although it may cause pain and distress .... if he can’t explain the emergency.
Comprehension really isn’t your strong point, is it?Actually, given that isn’t what is written, basic literacy doesn’t seem to be your strong point, let alone comprehension.Del Mar said:
Yes I have !
We have been on holiday (as families) many times. She is also an immigrant !!!!!
Pure, unadulterated, tripe, and quite probably a figment of your imagination. Nobody who lacks such a basic understanding of Muslims knows any in real life, far less be friends with them.We have been on holiday (as families) many times. She is also an immigrant !!!!!
Countdown said:
Pure, unadulterated, tripe, and quite probably a figment of your imagination. Nobody who lacks such a basic understanding of Muslims knows any in real life, far less be friends with them.
Apologies I got the passage the wrong way round. The pain aspect was an excuse to allow the emergency shaking of hands, not a consequence of it.Why would I make up such a story ?
I have been open and honest in all of my other responses / replies.
Thinking further on this, aside from the legit comparison to OCD etc, it seems very authoritarian/tyrannical. And not what I would have considered of the French culture, especially of a form of greeting that is not peculiar to French. To force a form of greeting that requires touch,or any really seems would be more in keeping with a North Korea/Saudi Arabia type deal.
I've encountered several Muslim ladies in the part two days and none had issues with handshakes, could be cultural or personal.
I've encountered several Muslim ladies in the part two days and none had issues with handshakes, could be cultural or personal.
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