More Slaughter At The Israel Border
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The baby that the press and the World accused the IDF of killing......
“Gaza ministry removes baby from list of people killed by Israeli army
Authorities investigate death of eight-month-old who ‘had pre-existing condition’”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
“Gaza ministry removes baby from list of people killed by Israeli army
Authorities investigate death of eight-month-old who ‘had pre-existing condition’”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...
Solocle said:
A bit of perspective.
Oh, and they don't decide to stop at the blue bit. they build settlements all throughout the UK.....and then blame you for trying to fight back.
Countdown said:
Solocle said:
A bit of perspective.
Oh, and they don't decide to stop at the blue bit. they build settlements all throughout the UK.....and then blame you for trying to fight back.
There has never been a country called Palestine, only a region within the greater Ottoman Empire.
Countdown said:
Solocle said:
A bit of perspective.
Oh, and they don't decide to stop at the blue bit. they build settlements all throughout the UK.....and then blame you for trying to fight back.
Countdown said:
If you happened to live in the blue bit and then there was mass migration from elswhere in the world by people who decided to evict you on the grounds that "God promised the land to them". what would you do?
Oh, and they don't decide to stop at the blue bit. they build settlements all throughout the UK.....and then blame you for trying to fight back.
Wow. You do realise that the blue bit is Israel, the West Bank and Gaza? (Probably because it's easier to draw). The the only places other than that which Israel have ever built Settlements was th Sinai peninsula. Oh wait, those were vacated after the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. All settlements in Gaza were vacated in 2005. Your knowledge of the conflict is really brought into question. Which brings into question the reason for immigration... which was not religious, it was fleeing from Pogroms and the Holocaust in Europe. Then Israel's population nearly doubled in 1949 with the Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries. Get a grip!Oh, and they don't decide to stop at the blue bit. they build settlements all throughout the UK.....and then blame you for trying to fight back.
Solocle said:
Wow. You do realise that the blue bit is Israel, the West Bank and Gaza? (Probably because it's easier to draw). The the only places other than that which Israel have ever built Settlements was th Sinai peninsula. Oh wait, those were vacated after the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. All settlements in Gaza were vacated in 2005. Your knowledge of the conflict is really brought into question. Which brings into question the reason for immigration... which was not religious, it was fleeing from Pogroms and the Holocaust in Europe. Then Israel's population nearly doubled in 1949 with the Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries. Get a grip!
What pogroms and Holocaust were occurring in 1948? Was Palestine the only place they could flee to?ETA There's a fundamental difference between the dismantling of Settlements from Sinai and those in Gaza. The Sinai settlements were dismantled as part of a peace agreement with Egypt. The ones in Gaza were dismantled not because of any peace agreement but simply because Israel realised it couldn't defend them ad infinitum. Instead they turned gaza into a prison camp.And FWIW they simply relocated them to the West Bank, where settlement activity keeps on going.
That's the thing that people like you either don't recognise or keep quiet about. The settlements in the West Bank are continuing to expand, not only taking land away from Palestinians but also restricting their movement due to the creation of Settler-only roads and checkpoints. But if they try to resist then the israelis are only "defending themselves......".
Edited by Countdown on Monday 28th May 11:22
Countdown said:
What pogroms and Holocaust were occurring in 1948? Was Palestine the only place they could flee to?
ETA There's a fundamental difference between the dismantling of Settlements from Sinai and those in Gaza. The Sinai settlements were dismantled as part of a peace agreement with Egypt. The ones in Gaza were dismantled not because of any peace agreement but simply because Israel realised it couldn't defend them ad infinitum. Instead they turned gaza into a prison camp.And FWIW they simply relocated them to the West Bank, where settlement activity keeps on going.
That's the thing that people like you either don't recognise or keep quiet about. The settlements in the West Bank are continuing to expand, not only taking land away from Palestinians but also restricting their movement due to the creation of Settler-only roads and checkpoints. But if they try to resist then the israelis are only "defending themselves......".
Pogroms were still happening after 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom. 1946. 19 fETA There's a fundamental difference between the dismantling of Settlements from Sinai and those in Gaza. The Sinai settlements were dismantled as part of a peace agreement with Egypt. The ones in Gaza were dismantled not because of any peace agreement but simply because Israel realised it couldn't defend them ad infinitum. Instead they turned gaza into a prison camp.And FWIW they simply relocated them to the West Bank, where settlement activity keeps on going.
That's the thing that people like you either don't recognise or keep quiet about. The settlements in the West Bank are continuing to expand, not only taking land away from Palestinians but also restricting their movement due to the creation of Settler-only roads and checkpoints. But if they try to resist then the israelis are only "defending themselves......".
Edited by Countdown on Monday 28th May 11:22
king forty six.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Anti-Jewish_rio....
So tell me again how pogroms weren't occuring in 1948. Where should the Jews go, other than their historic homeland? Does anything justify violent attacks on immigrants, such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre?
As for settlements, current policy is to build within existing settlement boundaries, not to build new settlements. Gaza was withdrawn from. It wasn't blockaded until Hamas took power. The blockade is necessary to prevent Hamas obtaining weaponry that will be used to kill Israeli civilians - heck, even the UN ruled the Gaza blockade legal. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeas...
Solocle said:
Pogroms were still happening after 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom. 1946. 19 fking forty six.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Anti-Jewish_rio....
So tell me again how pogroms weren't occuring in 1948. Where should the Jews go, other than their historic homeland? Does anything justify violent attacks on immigrants, such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre?
You ask how pogroms weren't occurring in 1948 and then give two examples from 1946? king forty six.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Anti-Jewish_rio....
So tell me again how pogroms weren't occuring in 1948. Where should the Jews go, other than their historic homeland? Does anything justify violent attacks on immigrants, such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre?
The fact that some jews lived there over 2,000 years ago doesn't give them any special rights. If, in 2000 years, a load of Australians and New Zealanders decide that England is their historic homeland it wouldn't give them the right to migrate en masse to the UK.Solocle said:
As for settlements, current policy is to build within existing settlement boundaries, not to build new settlements.
This beggars belief. Leaving aside the fact that the settlements are considered illegal by pretty much everybody in the world do you think that the houses within each Settlement are spaced out to allow newcomers to build there? It's an openly accepted fact that the settlements are expanding. It's even reported as such by the sraeli Presshttps://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Trump-endorses-...
Solocle said:
Gaza was withdrawn from. It wasn't blockaded until Hamas took power. The blockade is necessary to prevent Hamas obtaining weaponry that will be used to kill Israeli civilians - heck, even the UN ruled the Gaza blockade legal. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeas...
No. It hasn't. It considered the boarding of the Turkish ship (and the naval blockade) legal. It doesn't regard the wider blockade legal.https://www.haaretz.com/1.5174177
Countdown said:
Solocle said:
Pogroms were still happening after 1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom. 1946. 19 fking forty six.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Anti-Jewish_rio....
So tell me again how pogroms weren't occuring in 1948. Where should the Jews go, other than their historic homeland? Does anything justify violent attacks on immigrants, such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre?
You ask how pogroms weren't occurring in 1948 and then give two examples from 1946? king forty six.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Anti-Jewish_rio....
So tell me again how pogroms weren't occuring in 1948. Where should the Jews go, other than their historic homeland? Does anything justify violent attacks on immigrants, such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre?
The fact that some jews lived there over 2,000 years ago doesn't give them any special rights. If, in 2000 years, a load of Australians and New Zealanders decide that England is their historic homeland it wouldn't give them the right to migrate en masse to the UK.Solocle said:
As for settlements, current policy is to build within existing settlement boundaries, not to build new settlements.
This beggars belief. Leaving aside the fact that the settlements are considered illegal by pretty much everybody in the world do you think that the houses within each Settlement are spaced out to allow newcomers to build there? It's an openly accepted fact that the settlements are expanding. It's even reported as such by the sraeli Presshttps://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Trump-endorses-...
Solocle said:
Gaza was withdrawn from. It wasn't blockaded until Hamas took power. The blockade is necessary to prevent Hamas obtaining weaponry that will be used to kill Israeli civilians - heck, even the UN ruled the Gaza blockade legal. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeas...
No. It hasn't. It considered the boarding of the Turkish ship (and the naval blockade) legal. It doesn't regard the wider blockade legal.https://www.haaretz.com/1.5174177
Perhaps read my response before you make an utter pillock of yourself. I gave an example from 1946 and an example from 1948. I could have innundated you. But my point was that there were pogroms between the Shoah and 1948 war, and pogroms in 1948 itself.
As for expanding, did you notice that I said "boundaries"? As in, municipal boundary. Often there will be essentially green belt around any settlement. So, maybe they are physically expanding. But frankly, it's insignificant, in relation to the entire West Bank. The security barrier protects most settlements, and only has about 8% of the West Bank to its west. So at most 8% of the West Bank is affected. The settlement issue is frankly overblown. Land swaps can easily resolve 8%. While they're not conducive to peace, they're not the massive obstacle they're made out to be. Remember, among the settler population, there is a sense of returning, not just to biblical homelands, but to lands Jews were forced out of by aforementioned pogroms in the 1930s. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@31.7772678,35.29601...
As pointed out already the number of Jews forced out of Arab lands after 1948 was roughly equivalent to the number of Arabs who fled the newly formed Israel in 1948.
One community was absorbed by the receiving nation, the other was left in refugee camps for seventy years.
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Issues/Pages/J...
One community was absorbed by the receiving nation, the other was left in refugee camps for seventy years.
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Issues/Pages/J...
More than 25 mortar shells fired into Israel last night
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1001341547...
I assume this will be met with a similar level of international condemnation and outrage?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1001341547...
I assume this will be met with a similar level of international condemnation and outrage?
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